Fermentation - Very poor attenuation after 3 weeks - Help

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  1. magoo0903

    magoo0903 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    Guys

    Here is my dilemma today.

    On 24-Sep we brewed an Imperial Stout (~42 lbs of malt for a 10 Gal beer). We tried out a decoction Mash (Double stages). Besides the malt and hops we used Irish Moss & PH 5.2 Stabilizer.
    We started the brew at 830pm and ended at 4am - so when the wort was sitting in the conical fermenter at 80F I waited 7am to pitch the first yeast (San Diego Super Yeast) from a 2L starter on stir plate and at that point the temperature was around 70F.
    OG was 1.102 (from refractometer). The wort aeration was ok-ish, not as good as I could be though...
    On 28-Sep (Day 4) I added more yeast - Belgium Strong Ale Yeast (also from a 2L starter on stir plate). Gravity was 1.078
    On 1-Oct (Day 7) Gravity dropped to 1.072
    On 3-Oct (Day 9) gravity was 1.065
    On 12-Oct (Day 18) gravity was 1.064
    The beer is obviously still sweet - which seems normal with an attenuation of only 37% (!!!)

    Temperature has been controlled at 68F

    What do you recommend to jump-start the fermentation? More yeast (if so which one), more oxygen, higher temp? Do you have any other recommendation.

    Besides the oxygenation which should have been better at the get-go; why should I improved next time on a big beer like this to help the yeast? Nutrients?

    Thank You All

    matt
     
  2. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    What did you mash at? Also, give recipe details. I'd likely going for bumping temp to 72 F-ish and rouse twice a day. If you get nothing, blending my be best option; although that is a damn not of sugars remaining.
     
  3. magoo0903

    magoo0903 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    The mash profile was:
    • 35 min @ 125F
    • Boiled 35% of mash for 5 minutes and back in Mash Tun
    • 20 min @ 150F
    • Boiled 25% of Mash for 5 minutes and back into Mash Tun
    • 20 minutes at 165F
    • Mash Out
    Malt profile for 10 Gal batch is:
    • Pale Malt 30 lbs
    • Oat flaked 3 lbs
    • Barley Flaked 2 lbs
    • Crystal (15) 2 lbs
    • Chocolate malt 2 lbs
    • Roasted Barley 1 lb
    • Special B 1 lb
    • Black Patent 2/3 lb
    Boiled for 60 minutes with standard hop addition at 60 minutes (Chinook 5 oz) / 15 minutes Williamette (2 oz) / 0 minutes (Fuggle 2 oz)

    Thanks again
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    One possibility is that you didn't get good conversion of starches to sugar. Could be you messed up the decoction, could be that your mash temps were off, that you just weren't exposing all that grist (especially all the adjunct grains) to enough enzymes in the short time window, and you ended up with a lot of solubilized by uncoverted starch?

    Sidenote: Although I am reluctant to blame the decoction if it is properly done, I have to ask, why? The impact of decoction is pretty subtle, and I would guess that 3#s of crystal malt and 3.67#s of roasted grains is going to swamp out the subtly.

    The other possibility (besides conversion problems) is that your yeast are challenged by the fermentation conditions of too much sugar -- too small a pitch, not enough oxygen, and, for some strains, temp control -- are the contributing factors.

    To evaluate the issue, you could do a force fermentation test -- pull a small sample of the beer, pitch a goodly amount of healthy yeast in it, and see if they can ferment the beer.
    • If the yeast can ferment this, you know that you need a really big healthy pitch to finish the remaining beer.
    • If not, your beer is done. It will not end up where you want it to be. :slight_frown:
     
  5. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I agree with pweis909, the decoction in my mind is a strange choice on this one. Lagers it makes sense due to the subtle malt qualities, but stouts are not short on that for sure.

    You had mentioned wort aeration was OK, how did you do this? Typically with beers this big, you usually want the ability to hit it with pure O2.

    I brewed a huge RIS back in May (which is going on tap in the next few weeks here). OG was 1.116 and FG of 1.031 (11.5% ABV).

    When chilled to temp, I hit the beer with 2mins of pure O2. Then again 8hrs later for a second dose. Took 10 days to hit FG from the time I had pitched the yeast (2 packs of US-05, rehydrated for 5-gal). I mashed at 152F for 75mins. Next time, I would mash at probably 148-150F to dry it out even further.

    My suggestion to kick start fermentation, if there are any sugars to be eaten, is to create a bigger starter of a yeast such as WY-1056 and pitch it into the beer at high krausen. That will be your best chance at getting something going again.
     
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Force fermenting as @pweis909 suggests is the way to go. If a smack pack of chico can ferment out a quart of wort/beer then there is hope. If not, thats alot of beer to dump.
     
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  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Did you also use a refractometer for all of the gravity readings? If so, did you run the OG and "FG" reading through a refractometer calculator together?

    If you're using the built in specific gravity scale (normally on the right side of a refractometer display), it will be a little bit of for OG and way off for subsequent readings.
     
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