Fermented too hot.

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by TooHopTooHandle, May 8, 2018.

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  1. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Interesting. I've read quite a few (pretty technical) threads on the question of whether Brett can clean up fusels, and the general opinion seems to be that it can. I agree it doesn't necessarily make bad beer good, but if the only bad thing about this stout is that it has a lot of fusels, maybe it'd work? Obviously wouldn't be the beer it was supposed to be, but might turn out delicious anyway.
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    In short, the issue with Brett "cleaning up" anything, is that most of these situations are esterification and transesterification reactions, which are equilibrium reactions. Once said equilibrium has occurred, the reaction ceases, so if there is enough of the substrate to begin with, it probably won't be enzymatically transformed/degraded to a level that is below threshold. An exception is how it deals with something like isoamyl acetate, in that it completely hydrolyses it. That doesn't happen very often, though.
     
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  3. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I did the same thing with a hefe once (85 degrees for 48 hours), and it ended up placing in a homebrew competition.You have nothing to lose, so I'd just let it be and see how it tastes after some time.
     
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  4. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    The truth here is that only you can decide. No one on the internet can tell you what to expect or how good or bad it is without having seen the entire process. That said...

    A lot of the highly regarded barrel aged stouts these days have a significant amount of fusels. I actually think that a lot of drinkers can’t distinguish bourbon from fusels and that a well brewed beer these days can frequently be knocked for not having “enough bourbon” when really it’s just that drinkers are looking for alcohol heat. That is something I think about frequently these days actually.
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Veeeery interesting! I learn something new in this forum every day. Thanks for that insight.
     
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  6. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Well I decided to dump all 15 gallons and rebrew it all this weekend. I will be running my 10 gallon system and my 5 gallon system again at the same time. I know I make good beers and have not had to dump a batch yet. I know the temperature control was the only issue here with this beer (no way to temp control 15gallons) so I am going to put it in the basement where it is about 62 degrees instead of my 75 degree bed room lol. I cant justify taking the risk "maybe it will clear up" and putting it in a barrel especially since it will be my first barrel aged beer. I do appreciate everyone's input here, but I feel the only true way to know this beer will be right is to start over.
    On a good note from this situation I was able to collect all the yeast from the fermenters and make a nice big starter.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't think I would reuse yeast from a 9% beer. But if you do it, I'd be interested in hearing how it performs.
     
  8. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I'm pretty sure it will be fine. This batch was fermented with second gen WLP001 that I harvested from a 10.5% stout. I have brewed 2 other 9% porters with it, another 9.8% stout, 2 pales ales, and then this one. I have not had any attenuation issues with it or off flavors until I fermented this batch in the 80s lol. I will report back with the results as I will be brewing on Saturday.
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    As long as you control your temperature, I'd agree that you should be fine reusing this yeast.
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I think that I'm one of the few people that think that most BBA stouts have WAY too much bourbon character. Kinda like how so many spiced beers overdo it on the spicing. A little bit, in either case, goes a long way. IMO, you're looking for some added complexity of flavor and not for the spirit (or spice) to completely take over the beer. Like I said, though, I don't think many people share my opinion about those things, and instead want to be hit over the head with the spirit.
     
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  11. Push_the_limits

    Push_the_limits Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2018 Antarctica

    Thanks for the update TooHop. I wonder if you saved some samples for later comparison.
    Good luck!
     
  12. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Nope all 15 gallons gone lol
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Just posting an update on how reusing the yeast went. It took 3 days to go from 1.088 down to 1.021, but I let it ride another 7 days before I racked it to the barrel. The beer actually finished much lower than I anticipated for mashing it at 156 degrees. I also didnt detect any off flavors either.

    **edit** yeast was WLP001
     
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  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Well done, grasshopper.
     
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  15. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Another option is to freeze and strain it, but too late.
     
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