FG question- Is a lower than expected FG bad?

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  1. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    I brewed a spicy pumpkin porter that has been sitting on the yeast for 10 days. I just took a reading and it says 1.011. My anticipated FG was suppose to be around 1.017 Is this a big deal?

    My OG was 1.068 and was suppose to be 1.070. It tasted good. I have just never had a lower than expected FG ever in my brewing- always higher.....

    thanks!
     
  2. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    Your beer should be a little drier (less sweet) since there are fewer residual sugars than you anticipated. This is not 'bad' per se, but could be related to your mash temps being lower than ideal or maybe you pitched more yeast than necessary (?).
     
  3. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I agree that mash temperature is probably a factor. Another factor could have been yeast selection. Did you use the strain that the recipe called for? I believe 1.068 OG down to 1.011 FG is roughly 83% apparent attenuation. 1.068 down to only 1.017 is about 74% apparent attenuation. Which yeast strain did you use? That will tell us what apparent attenuation range it typically has which could shed some light on your results.
     
  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Final gravity is hard to accurately predict, any program's number is an estimate.
     
  5. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    Anticipated FG, from what? Beersmith, et al? Completely useless.

    Ignore all "expected FG". Pay attention to ingredients, yeast attenuation, mash temp, etc, which will give you an idea, say 1.010 vs 1.025, but certainly cannot predict 1.010 vs 1.013. There's no real way to predict FG accurately.
     
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  6. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    I used Wyeast London Ale- 1028. Attenuation: 73-77%
     
  7. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    I actually only used one smack pack that I let sit for a week at room temp.
     
  8. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    What was your recipe / process? It depends oin teh fermentability character of the mash or extract you used too.
     
  9. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    1lb Victory
    1lb crystal 75
    1/2lb tipple pale
    1/4lb special B
    1/3lb chocolate

    Steep at 152 for 30 min.

    8lbs- pale extract
    1lb- dme
    1lb- Belgian Syrup d-180

    1 oz progress- 60
    1 oz whitbread- 15

    2 tsp spices at 0min

    Tasted great- nice and spicy with full mouth feel.
     
  10. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Is Tipple pale a base malt? Sounds like you did a quasi mini-mash, which is good with the Victory (a non-steepable grain), but needs to be at the right water / grain ratio (normally 1-2 qt/#), but may have not had enough time and enzymes to create proper conversion (1/2# of base malt for ~3# of mash is very low and may work if given the time).

    With simple sugars like Candi syrup and low amounts of crystal I am not surprised by the low FG. Most calculators fail miserably at properly calculating FGs with simple sugars. You should calculate the attenuation against the malts that give a mixture of sugar and assume that all sugars' gravity contribution ferments out. In your case you get 32 gravity points of the total 340, so 308 points get ~75% attenuation (231 points ferment out), leaving 77 points, which is 15 points per gallon, or an expected FG of 1.015. If you got the higher attenuation number of 77% (or a little higher due to the amount of pale malt) it is not surprising at all...
     
  11. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    So don't worry then? Just drink up?
     
  12. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Worry or dont worry, that is up to you. The beer will taste the same either way.

    If you are thinking of dumping it, dont. Taste it. If it tastes good, drink it.
     
  13. Wreckoncile

    Wreckoncile Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2011 California

    RDWHAHB
     
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  14. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Yup. See how it tastes when it's ready. I have used the yeast you use once, and it, too finished a bit lower than expected. Think of it as a sign of good, healthy yeast.
     
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  15. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    What was your fermentation schedule like? Days / Degrees overview
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Ehhhhh....(think Beavis and Butthead voices)...where's the pumpkin?

    Also agree with hopfenunmaltz and nathanjohnson...FGs are specifically unpredictable and generally high with software.
     
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  17. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California


    If the beer tastes great, then who cares about FG?

    That said, I would suggest you look at how you're measuring and regulating mash temp. My guess would be that your actual mash temp may have been lower than the 152 you were shooting for, which could have given you the lower FG.
     
  18. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    You said "pump" kin huh, huh, huh.......

    I added 4lbs of the canned stuff to the mash after roasting in oven.........
     
  19. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    As a pretty novice brewer (probably 30 batches) is a lower mash temp a bad thing if you are looking for less sweet and drier? I usually just go with around 153-155 for all beers I brew. Mistake? Whats the golden rule for the different styles like ipa, stout, porters, etc....?
     
  20. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    No golden rule, lower mash temps get a more fermentable wort, thus lower FG and a drier beer.

    You added 4# of pumpkin to your mini-mash? You needed a LOT more base malt then to make that work. A good rule of thumb is 1# of base malt per pound of other stuff to be converted. A high enzyme base malt you might be able to get away with 1/2# per #...
     
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