FiftyFifty Eclipse Futures Announced

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  1. bgold86

    bgold86 Pooh-Bah (1,836) Apr 1, 2015 New York
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    Meh, easy pass.
     
    #21 bgold86, Apr 16, 2019
  2. BayAreaJoe

    BayAreaJoe Pooh-Bah (1,724) Nov 23, 2017 California
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    It is now, starting today.
     
    #22 BayAreaJoe, Apr 16, 2019
  3. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    why is everyone complaining about ~$30 prices in a thread about futures that cost $18?

    I am confused.

    The German Chocolate Cake one looks interesting and this is the first time I have noticed Eclipse futures on time. $18 seems pretty fair to me
     
    #23 anvindr, Apr 16, 2019
  4. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,220) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    Here on the east coast they are also gathering dust. Shame that, and I very rarely spring for them, but the ones I have purchased have been phenomenal. Very elegant, nuanced, properly attenuated, delicious. Likely won’t hit the mark for the pastryboiz amongst us.
     
    #24 tobelerone, Apr 16, 2019
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  5. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    Those Elijah Craig versions from years ago were so good.
     
    #25 raynmoon, Apr 17, 2019
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  6. Rbarnes4381

    Rbarnes4381 Zealot (747) Oct 29, 2013 California
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    After shipping there is minimal savings. If you lived in the area then it is much cheaper.
     
    #26 Rbarnes4381, Apr 17, 2019
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  7. jakecattleco

    jakecattleco Grand Pooh-Bah (3,749) Sep 3, 2008 California
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    Agreed, I'll only swing in their spot to grab them. Won't pay markup or shipping, too many other options for the coin.
     
    #27 jakecattleco, Apr 17, 2019
  8. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Grand Pooh-Bah (3,900) Sep 30, 2015 Nevada
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    Because $30 prices are retail for their beers historically. You realize they cut the size of the bottles about 25% this year?

    When you're $1+/per oz before tax, shipping (i.e. 3x the cost of other world class barrel aged stouts at the grocery store), you start to understand why these beers collect dust.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitute_good
     
    #28 rodbeermunch, Apr 17, 2019
  9. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    "world class barrel aged stouts at the grocery store"

    lmfao. either you dont actually drink stouts or you dont care about the difference between KBS and KBBS.
     
    #29 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
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  10. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Grand Pooh-Bah (3,900) Sep 30, 2015 Nevada
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    lmfao indeed, guy who has reviewed 13 beers on BA speculating about guy with just under 4000 . . .

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    I guess BA is wrong when they list KBS as "world class" . . .

    But you are right about one thing, I don't care about the difference a more adjunct laden barrel aged stout produced in small quantities. Got over tasting hype around a decade ago.
     
    #30 rodbeermunch, Apr 17, 2019
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  11. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    KBS is world class in the same way Pliny the Elder is. its a dinosaur. A respectable dinosaur that is a good beer. but its not world class anymore. its an entry level BA stout

    i can't imagine being dense enough to think that I have only tried 13 beers. (or enough of an asshole to go dickswinging your own 4000 number)

    name one "world class" stout that can be found at the grocery store for $6 for a 500mL bottle. I will wait.......


    you are full of it dude. and you are somehow trying to force a conversation about their $30 prices when this is a thread about their current $18 prices.........
     
    #31 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
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  12. StoutAtTheDevil

    StoutAtTheDevil Maven (1,434) Nov 17, 2013 Alabama
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    In December of this year, KBS will be eligible for the Beers of Fame list, and it's current 4.6 rating will place it in the top 10. How you can say that's not a world class beer is completely ridiculous.

    Back to the Eclipse beers, they collect dust here at $27 per bottle, but the new size and price point might change that. I'll try a few of them if they make it here again.
     
    #32 StoutAtTheDevil, Apr 17, 2019
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  13. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    pliny has a 4.64. I think my comparison was pretty clear.

    world class means something different to me than it does to you loyal BAers. lets drop it.

    my main point is that people are using this thread to bitch about the tired ass topic of "eclipse bottles are $30" and its pretty ass backwards.

    the prices are lower now. your complaint has been addressed. stop beating the dead horse.

    still waiting for you to find a $6 / 500 mL "world class BA stout"
     
    #33 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
  14. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Savant (1,240) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Lower price point is interesting, wonder if they'll collect dust on the shelves like every other release. I know that's my biggest gripe when it comes to these beers. Tasty, but not worth the money.
     
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  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    The more I read your posts, the more confused I've become (the only thing really clear is that you're a fan of Eclipse stouts, as am I). So I'll try to go through your points item by item.

    I'm not aware of anything I would qualify as a World Class Stout for $6/500mL. However, I'm not sure I understand the relevance of that statement. Was this possibly a typo? The OP indicates there are isolated barrel variants for $16 and experimental variants for $18.

    As for the definition of World Class in the context of your discussion, I guess I don't understand what you mean by the description. I get it that you feel the high ratings for beers like KBS and PtE are based largely on older ratings, and are best viewed only from an historical perspective (and so really shouldn't be considered world class beers anymore). However, I'm still confused as to why you feel the Eclipse stouts are World Class beers. I certainly think they're outstanding, but these days there are a lot of outstanding BA stouts on the market. So price is always going to enter the picture when choosing one outstanding BA stout over another BA stout. Unless you happen to think there's something unique about Eclipse stouts; so much so that price becomes somewhat irrelevant, given just how much you revere Eclipse stouts. I don't feel that way about them, so for me, price is always going to be an issue (hence my reticence in "pulling the trigger" when I see the whole line-up at a local store).

    So then we come to price in the new format. It sounds to me as if this year's price is nearly identical to previous year's prices, when viewed from a price per ounce perspective. Of course we won't know that for sure until the beers hit distribution, but my guess is that the MSRP for these beers will probably be in the $22 to $23 range (for the isolated barrel variants). It seems to me that that would be pretty comparable to what I'm currently paying for a 22 ounce bomber (based on a cost per ounce pricing), though I do appreciate the decision to go to the 500mL format (as I can actually consume a 500mL bottle at a sitting, whereas a 22 ounce bomber was a chore and pretty much finished me for the day if I couldn't find someone to share with).

    The futures price is pretty much meaningless to me, as there's no way for me to take advantage of it. The shipping cost would wipe out any saving I might experience, and it's not possible for me to drive down to the brewery for a pick-up. I agree it's a pretty good deal for those fortunate enough to live in the area.

    So in the end, these are still pretty expensive beers, at least when I compare them to similar quality beers where I live (Fremont KDS and Bbomb being the most obvious examples). Eclipse beers are a bit different from the Fremont BA stouts, and I think they're really, really good, so I'll continue to buy them on occasion. Even so, price is always going to be a stumbling block when it comes to pulling the trigger at the cash register for these beers. I think that's really the only point anyone was trying to make (as I think most folks on this thread have acknowledged that these are VERY good BA stouts).
     
    #35 John_M, Apr 17, 2019
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  16. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    the person i was intending to direct that comment at claimed that eclipse was "3x the cost of other world class barrel aged stouts at the grocery store"

    6*3 = $18

    he was claiming that he has access to $6 500 mL bottles.

    that is all.

    the rest of your essay is the topic that I literally said "lets drop it" about (defining world class) and you have also invented the notion that I love Eclipse beer.

    I have had less than 5 bottles of eclipse in my lifetime and I dont have any plans to buy them this year even though I am within driving distance of the brewery.

    I am just here to bitch at the people saying eclipse costs $30 in a thread where it literally costs $18
     
    #36 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
  17. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    my original comment that has drawn so much criticism was

    "why is everyone complaining about ~$30 prices in a thread about futures that cost $18?

    I am confused.

    The German Chocolate Cake one looks interesting and this is the first time I have noticed Eclipse futures on time. $18 seems pretty fair to me"
     
    #37 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
  18. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Savant (1,240) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Eh, $18 for 16oz is still a bit steep. Being in the same price category as Avery is never good in my book.
     
    #38 Rysk22, Apr 17, 2019
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  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    It seemed a reasonable inference to make, based on some of your comments and reaction to those commenting about the high price for this beer. My apologies if that's not an accurate statement.
     
    #39 John_M, Apr 17, 2019
  20. anvindr

    anvindr Zealot (608) Jan 6, 2016 California
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    I agree that it was a reasonable inference. but I was literally just trying to get people to discuss the new $18 pricing instead of the old $30 pricing. I got derailed by come troll talking about how his world class beers cost 1/3 the price of eclipse.
     
    #40 anvindr, Apr 17, 2019
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