First attempt at a lager (Vienna)

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  1. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    This will be my first attempt at a Lager, so any thoughts or advice on this recipe would be appreciated, as I'm flying blind. The amounts might look weird since I have converted from metric. :slight_smile:


    ~5 gal Batch:

    5.5 lbs Vienna Malt
    2.2 lbs Munich Malt
    1.1 lbs Pilsner DME
    0.44 lbs Wheat Malt
    0.13 lbs Chocolate Malt
    0.88 oz Northern Brewer (Ger) 10% @ 60min
    0.53 oz Tettnanger Hops 4.5% @ 20 min
    0.18 oz Tettnanger Hops 4.5% @ 5 min
    White Labs WLP920 - Old Bavarian Lager // Wyeast 2206 - Bavarian Lager

    beta glucan rest 130F for15 min
    sacc rest at 147F for 30 min
    sacc rest at 158F for 30 min

    60 min boil
    75% est. efficiency

    ~2-month lagering time

    OG: 1.046
    FG: 1.012
    ABV: 4.6%
    IBU: 25
    SRM: 10
     
  2. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Drop the chocolate malt...Seriously, chocolate malt?

    Vienna lagers are pretty simple
    33% pils (or equivalent as DME)
    33% Munich
    33% Vienna
    01% unicorn milk
    Nobel hop at 60 to 25-30IBUs
    I've never used those yeasts before, but they are German and lager, so they should be fine.

    Your mash schedule, IMO, is too complicated. Once you hold the malts of today @ 147 for 30 minutes, you have basically mashed at 147 no,matter where you go, temp wise after that. And whatever hasn't converted will convert as you raise the temp, unless you can raise the temp immediately.
     
  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    ~5 gal batch is 21 liters. I'm pretty sure that's what you're shooting for. It looks tasty, but I don't remember that much Munich going into the bill off the top of my head. You'llve made a friend in me if I get a pint, but I think it should be a little cleaner. Is the DME to cut time on the boil? Otherwise add 1 kilo Continental pils malt and boil for 90 minutes. You'll need an extra 2.5 liters of wort for boil loss.

    It looks like people put chocolate malt or melanoidin malt in their bill because they don't want to do a decoction. I'd lean towards melanoidin malt if you haven't already bought your ingredients. Caramunich is welcome in the bill. If you don't add it you'll be fine because of the Munich malt addition.

    Your recipe will be a little hoppy for the style, but very tolerable if you're a hop head.

    Delich!
     
  4. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    *Snicker*
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Looks tasty to me. With the choc malt, I assume you are just going for color, trying to orange it up a bit. I suggest cold steeping, or maybe just using them with the sparge to minimize the roastiness. Still, at just 2 oz, you might not detect roastiness. The wheat malt is a typical, but it's not going to be particularly noticed in the flavor profile. This style doesn't really call for late hops, but you're a homebrewer and you can hop if you want.
     
  6. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Thanks Guys,

    The chocolate malt is there for colour to style only, and since it comes in at about 1% of fermentables, I don't see it contributing to flavour at all, so i'm not worried about that. I plan to add it before sparging, just to be certain anyway.

    Due to equipment & space considerations, i'm only doing a ~3 gal boil, but I can raise the temp pretty quickly if I want to. I have been told elsewhere to look into doing a single decoction. Having never done one either, what do you guys think?


    Also, on the advice of some people at work, i've simplified it a bit to the following. I've been convinced to use up the DME for my starter (as it was only there because I had some left over already)...

    6.6 lbs Vienna Malt
    2.2 lbs Munich Malt
    0.13 lbs Chocolate Malt
    0.88 oz Northern Brewer (Ger) 10% @ 60min
    0.53 oz Tettnanger Hops 4.5% @ 20 min
    White Labs WLP920 - Old Bavarian Lager // Wyeast 2206 - Bavarian Lager

    beta glucan rest 130F for 15 min
    sacc rest at 144F for 30 min
    sacc rest at 158F for 30 min
     
  7. messyhair42

    messyhair42 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2010 Colorado

    I agree, I think with that much wheat you'd do better skipping the 158F rest and turning it into a 170F mash out, hold 5 minutes and start the lauter/sparge.
     
  8. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    This is perhaps a dumb question, but you do have a fermentation chamber, yes?
     
  9. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    messyhair42 - Ok, I'll think about that option.

    JohnSnowNW - Yeah, I have a spare fridge, organsing the temperature controller at the moment.
     
  10. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Understood about chocolate malt for color. If I hadn't been drinking when I posted the first time, I could have finished my thought and came off less dickish. Using high percentages of Munich and Vienna malts to get the flavor you want will get the color in the range for style, assuming you are going to style. I think you may find that after 1-2 months lagering you may get a little roastiness out of that chocolate malt. I would recommend you use the dehusked carafa for color. If you crush it, you will use even less to achieve the same color.
     
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  11. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    scurvy311 - Hahaha, no worries. Ok, i'll have a think about the choc malt then. I had it in there because I have some left over from my Choc-Coffee Porter.
     
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