First beer recipe - Looking for input

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  1. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Hi, I am developing a recipe for wheat/witbier beer. This is the first brew that I am not using a brew kit for. I researched various recipes and came up with this.

    Grain Steep
    1 lbs. White Wheat Malt
    8 oz. Cara-Pils
    8 oz. Flaked Oats

    Fermentables
    3.15 lbs. Light LME
    3.15 lbs. Pilsner LME

    Hop/Spice Schedule (overall 60 minutes)
    1 oz. Select Spaltz 60 min
    1 oz. Saaz 40 min
    1 oz. Coriander Seed 15 min
    1 oz. Sweet Orange Peel 10 min

    Yeast
    Wyeast 3944 Belgian Witbier

    Est OG 1.047
    Est FG 1.012


    This will be a 5 gallon batch. Is there anything that might seem redundant in the grain steep? Should I do a secondary ferment? Any advice is appreciated.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The first thing that jumps out is that this isn't really going to be a Witbier with so little wheat. Normally, it would be around half of the grain bill or more.

    Also, you shouldn't simply steep wheat malt. If you use it, it should be mashed so that its starches are converted to sugars and dextrins. And the oats should be mashed along with it, and not simply steeped.

    One thing a lot of extract brewers use for wheats/wits is Wheat DME, which is a mix of extract from wheat and barley malts. It's not ideal in a Witbier, because Witbier normally uses unmalted wheat (not wheat malt). But it's really the only choice for a mostly extract batch.

    Also, an ounce of corianders sound high for a 5 gallon batch. Maybe half of that or a bit less. And it should be crushed first.
     
  3. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Since you are using wit yeast, I'll lean that way. These are VERY easy base beers to make. The magic, more so than other styles, comes from the yeast and spices. A starting point all grain would be 1:1 Pilsner and flaked wheat along with a touch of Munich or aromatic or melanoiden malt to up the malt perception. That's it.

    If you are going extract, I'd just use the Bavarian wheat extract and steep some melanoiden malt. Focus on the yeast and spices. No need for secondary in this beer IMO.

    OR

    Make the beer as you planned and enjoy it and establish data points and start building recipe expectations.
     
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  4. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Thanks for the information, I made a mistake, the Light LME should be Wheat LME
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In that case, I would drop the pilsner LME and replace with more wheat LME. Wheat LME already contains pilsner (or some other pale) malt extract.
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Truth. Wheat LME is generally 50% wheat and 50% pilsner. Just use wheat LME.

    The grains need to be mashed. It's like steeping, only more precise. Hold the grains at 152F for 30-60 minutes with a pH of 5.2-5.6 in 1-2qt water/ lb of grain. Failure to do this may result in unfermentable starchy liquid.
     
  7. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Alright, I will stick with just wheat LME. I think I am going to remove the white wheat malt though.
     
  8. DunkelFester

    DunkelFester Zealot (607) Aug 24, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Way too much corriander and orange peel in a 5 gallon batch!

    It's an all-too-common mistake.

    Commercial brewers of witbier use far less. In fact, some use about 1 oz PER BARREL. The equivalent of ~ 5 grams (1/6th of an ounce) of fresh-ground coriander and orange peel in 5 gal is more appropriate and will give you some spice character without obliterating the contributions from your yeast.
     
  9. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    if you stick with using the oats (and I suggest you do) I would do this

    1# quick oats
    2# pilsner malt
    1# flaked wheat

    Mash/Steep at 152F for at least 30min, in 8qt of water

    Adjust your hop schedule to eliminate the 40min addition (not really useful)

    Toss your coriander (get indian, it looks like little footballs) and the orange peel (make your own and avoid the pith) when you turn off your boil. There is no reason to boil your spices. Also use less of both, too little and you can add more later, too much and the beer is nasty

    one last bit, use a blow off
     
  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    If you do that, you should remove the oats too because the oats won't convert without wheat in a proper mash. The carapils can be steeped alone and doesn't need to be mashed.
     
  11. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Ok updated the recipe to include mash instead of steep.

    Mash
    1 lbs. White Wheat Malt
    8 oz. Flaked Wheat
    8 oz. Flaked Oats

    Fermentables
    6.3 lbs. Wheat LME

    Hop/Spice Schedule (overall 60 minutes)
    1 oz. Select Spalt 60 min
    1 oz. Saaz 60 min
    1/2 oz. Motueka 10 min
    1/4 oz. Coriander Seed 10 min
    1/2 oz. Sweet Orange Peel 10 min

    Yeast
    Wyeast 3944 Belgian Witbier

    I am looking for a hoppy Wit. Are the spice additions too little, mainly the orange peel?
     
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  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    How much orange peel to use is a complicated question. The answer depends on several variables including how much flavor you want from the orange peel. One thing you should try is to use only the skin (zest) of the orange, not the white pith. The pith is unpleasantly bitter. Start with the zest from one orange. If that isn't enough, use more next time. Avoid dry orange peel unless you are using the traditional Wit ingredient bitter orange peel (curacao).
     
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  13. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I've made a number of wits over the years. I really like ~1 oz coriander and ~2 oz citrus zest (minimize the pith, lemon is my favorite), both added at 5 minutes.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Hmm alright, I will take that into consideration. Dumb question, but is the coriander/zest going directly into the boil or am should I use a bag?
     
  15. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Depends upon how you transfer into your fermenter. I just dump the spices in, but I utilize a mesh filter between the kettle and fermenter. I recommend keeping the coriander and zest out of the fermenter.
     
  16. mbarone00

    mbarone00 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Pennsylvania

    I brewed this last night and I am pretty excited with how it initially turned out. I tweaked a few things with the recipe and added a few extra ingredients toward the end.

    I added 3-5 clove buds with the muslin bag along with the coriander seeds and I also added 1/2 oz of basil during the last 5 minutes of the boil. Also did an additional 1/2 oz of motueka hops at flameout. I allowed the muslin bag with basil, clove, orange peel, and coriander to steep for about 10 minutes and during some of the cool own.

    I tried some of the wort before pitching the yeast, it had a nice sweet wheat flavor with a slight basil aroma. There was no clove taste or aroma but I am hoping that comes through with the yeast later on down the road.
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