First Brew Worries: Color and Fermentation Problems

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  1. rallo

    rallo Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014

    Hey everyone. This is such a great forum for the beginning brewer to learn and get some feedback. I was hoping some of you seasoned brewers could give me some advice.

    I am trying my first ever brew (a wheat beer), and I have some concerns.

    The first is the color. I have read through a bunch of threads here and learned that this is probably due to the fact that I could only do a partial boil, and used some LME. I tried my best to avoid scorching (took off heat element, stirred vigorously etc) Will this darker color(it would appear more like a brown ale) affect the beer's quality that much?

    The second is fermentation. I will start by saying a followed the instructions for the liquid yeast where you break the inside packet, shake it, and allow to activate for 3ish hours until the packet expands. The packet expanded some, but wasn't bursting at the seams like some I've seen on youtube using the same yeast. The wort was aerated and brought to about 68*F before I added the yeast. I shook the carboy a little more to 'mix'. The airlock was placed and it has been sitting there for 24 hours (dark room, temp around 67*F.

    The problem is that the beer has not started to ferment yet. It sits there, flat, no carbonation, no bubbles in the airlock. More concerning is this light brown layer at the bottom of the carboy. Is this the yeast? Does it normally settle to the bottom before it activates? I've read that it could take up to 72 hours to start the fermentation process, but the sediment at the bottom of the carboy has me worried.

    Am I an over-worrying pansy, or is their truly cause for concern?
     
  2. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Congratulations on choosing a wheat beer for your first beer. Usually noobs want to brew a RIS, a world-wide stout or dark lord clone. :rolling_eyes:

    Did you aerate the wort after cooling, but before adding yeast?

    Resist the temptation to mess with your beer. Every beer should get two weeks in the carboy unmolested by human hands.

    Airlock activity is a poor indicator of fermentation activity. I have two buckets that NEVER bubble but make fine beer.

    You way under-pitched if you made five gallons, but only used one smak pak. You need a starter for liquid yeasts. Next batch, use dry (and re-hydrate). In a few batches, learn to make a starter, then use liquid yeast again. This doesn't mean your beer is ruined tho, but might partially account for a slow start (if that's the problem, if there even is a problem).

    Smak paks are somewhat of a gimmick. The nutrient pack shows viability, but isn't necessary for the yeast to work. White labs has no smak pak and their yeasts work just fine.

    The sediment at the bottom of a bucket is hops, some various proteins and stuff from the wort, and yes, yeast. But there will be plenty of live yeast, despite plenty of sediment on a complete batch.

    Color tends to look darker than it will in the final product. Also home brew tends to be slightly darker than you might think it will be, but this really isn't a concern. Getting really light colored beers is an advanced thing (that many home brewers aren't that concerned with). The flavors and aromas aren't automatically linked to color.

    And congrats on not posting a one-sentence thread with no information either. Details, details, details.
     
  3. rallo

    rallo Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014

    Thanks for your reply, i'll try to fill in the details of some of your questions

    Thanks for all your help man, hopefully I'm just going through 'first child syndrome' with this beer and babying it too much.
     
  4. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    The aeration of the wort was the main question. Oxygen is added to wort because during the initial stages of fermentation, it helps the yeast build copies of themselves during the reproductive phase of their life cycle. It is only after fermentation is mostly complete that oxygen=bad.
     
  5. RJLarse

    RJLarse Pooh-Bah (2,375) Dec 30, 2005 Washington
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    Plus One on everything @AlCaponeJunior had to say.

    Don't mess with the beer at this stage. A little patience goes a long way, and 24 hours isn't a particularly long time in the brewing process. I would suggest maybe bumping the room temperature a few degrees. I have had beer ferment slowly in the mid to upper 60's F and had it pick up quite a bit at 70 or 71 F.

    I've used those "smack packs" before and found one is sufficient to ferment a 5 gallon batch. However I prefer the dry yeast.

    I'm not a carboy guy. I prefer buckets or the Mr. Beer kegs as fermentation vessels. When using dry yeast I don't do a starter, I just sprinkle the yeast on the surface of fermentation temperature wort, wait about 10 minutes for the yeast to start itself, then stir the wort vigorously with a large spoon.

    And finally I wouldn't sweat the color. I have found wort looks darker than the final product. I guess it is because a lot of the darker particles will settle out during fermentation. I have also had a lot of success with partial boil recipes. My best APA is a partial boil brew, and I think the addition of the extra water gives the beer a lighter character while keeping the flavor.

    I agree a hefe is a good choice for a first brew. But don't be surprised if it's not "great." My first batches were better than drain pour material, not great, but good enough to keep me interested in the hobby. I think that is all you are looking for in first batches. Drinkability and familiarization with the process.

    Be patient and good luck with that first batch.
     
  6. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    +1 shameless self-awareness

    The standard advice is RDWHAHB; altho...since you're a 1st-timer and there is no homebrew (yet)...just 'R'elax and 'D'on't 'W'orry. 'H'aving 'A' 'H'ome 'B'rew will come later.
     
  7. rallo

    rallo Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014

    48 hours and still no sign of fermentation. (no air lock chatter or krausen around the sides of the glass carboy). At what point do you acquire more yeast and repitch/ reaerate? If I repitch, is it ok to use standard dry yeast that's normally used in baking? (is this a dumb question?

    what would you guys do?
     
  8. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Don't use baking yeast.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Make sure your wort temperature is within the yeast strain's published range (not an absolute thing, but a good idea for beginners). Then wait a little longer.

    BTW, what was the gravity of your wort and how old was your smack pack?
     
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