First homebrew Zombie Dust Clone too ambitious?

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    [quote="AlCaponeJunior, post: 2110913, member: 461657"However, splitting the boil between two pots is much better than topping off with water, and is perfectly acceptable. I did a few of these back in the day, and the beer came out fine. Split the hops proportionally to volumes if you use more than one pot for the boil.

    *the only thing I don't recommend about a turkey fryer is actually frying turkeys with it. :rolling_eyes:[/quote]

    Thanks! You answered one of my questions. If splitting the boil would be better than partial with a top off.

    Glad I have a bbq smoker for my turkey. Only way to go!
     
  2. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    So I was looking at turkey fryers and they are aluminum, at least the ones I saw. I was orinally planning on a stainless steel pot but they are much more expensive.

    Are aluminum brew kettles perfectly fine to use?
     
  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Never mind about the question on aluminum vs stainless steel. I found a thread that discusses this already.
     
  4. mcc1654

    mcc1654 Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    If you are using S-04, I highly recommend fermenting and pitching very cool. I would recommend pitching at ~60F and fermenting no higher than 63F. That doesn't mean 63F ambient temp. If you can't do this I highly recommend switching to S-05.

    Edit: Also allow the temp to raise into the high 60s after fermentation settles down.
     
  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I thought about switching to 05 but the recipe calls for 04 so for now I am going to stay with it. The problem I have is with it being my first brew I don't know if it will be a problem. The set up is we will be brewing in the evening around 7pm outside. I live on SoCal so the weather will be cool. I will be doing a partial boil and
    Hoping to boil 4 gallons. We have a wort chiller. I am thinking with those conditions I should be able to lower the temp to 60, but with this being the first go am not sure .

    Thoughts?
     
  6. mcc1654

    mcc1654 Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    You will only be able to get your wort as cold as the water going into your chiller. You could put the fermenter in a fridge or cold area and wait to pitch if you can't get it cool enough with the chiller. I still recommend that if you can't keep the fermentation temperature low enough for the first couple days of fermentation that you don't use S-04. If the ambient temp is in the lower 60s you still will most likely will be fermenting in the upper 60s or lower 70s which in my opinion doen't work well with this yeast especially in a pale ale. S-05 is much more forgiving of higher temperatures.

    Edit: Here is a link to one of many threads you will find about the issues of fermenting too warm with S-04. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/safale-s-04-wtf-134759/
     
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  7. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I was thinking of just vigorously pouring the cooled wort into the CarBoy and agitating it best I can. Since It will be fermenting in a CarBoy I can't whip the wort unless I do it before I transfer it.

    Is there a method you prefer? Can I whip the wort in the brew kettle then pour it into the CarBoy, then pitch the yeast?

    Also I am going to use yeast S-04 dry packets. The yeast calculator says minimum of 22 grams of dry yeast. The OG is 1.063. Is two packets good? I was just going to rehydrate them.
     
  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    As for aluminum and stainless, cash is king and both work well. Just don't let pbw sit in aluminum overnight.
    Aeration, if you're dumping the kettle into the carboy, you can use a strainer with the funnel which also doubles as an aerator.
     
  9. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Thanks. I have a strainer I'll be using to rinse my steeping grains. Obviously I'll have to sanitize the strainer after using in on the grains before pouring the wort through it.

    Thanks again!

    So much good advice. I would be lost without the good people of BA!!!!
     
  10. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    The wort chiller can't get your wort any colder than your water temperature you're feeding it. If you want to get to 60F to pitch, and your water is exactly 60F, it will take a long time to get there.

    The initial chilling goes fast, even with warm tap water like I have. Once you start getting close to the temperature of your tap water, it goes really slow. Since my tap water is usually about 75F or even higher, I have a pre-chiller which is in-line (it's essentially another smaller coil of copper tubing). When I get down to about 120, I put the pre-chiller in a cooler and dump ice on it. This is the only way I can reach pitching temperature is by using ice in some way.

    At home I do small 2 gallon batches with no wort chiller. This usually takes about 15 pounds of ice (cleans out the ice maker), plus I have three gatorade bottles (2x20oz, 1x32oz) that I keep full of water and frozen. When the wort gets to about 120, I dunk the bottles in starsan, then put them in the wort. It works.
     
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  11. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    again, you're not chilling the entire volume of water, so have the rest of it ice cold. a couple store-bought gallons at 33F will really help you when that 3.5 in your kettle is taking a long time to chill and only down to 85F...

    you've got enough yeast, but as others have said this beer/yeast combo really needs to stay cool for ZD-like results. if you're prepared to do some work after fermentation has started you should be able to do it. Otherwise 05 is not a bad option. Also, put me in the column of people who believe if you're prepared to rehydrate that yeast correctly you should do so, but if not you can do some harm so you might as well sprinkle.
     
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  12. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    When I lived in Phx, our tap water could be 80F+ in the summer, I'd just chill as low as I could go and then toss it in my fermentation fridge to go the rest of the way down. Brew early AM, pitch yeast at bedtime, worked like a charm
     
  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I keeping forgetting that I am not trying to cool a full boil. We tested the temp of the water and it's 68. So we are going to buy some water and keep it cold, as you said, then add it to the wort. Then we'll have a bunch of ice, to help it get to ~65 and pitch. I was reading about the recipe and most feel -04 makes the beer more fruity and is closer to the real deal.... I know my won't be the real deal.

    I have one last question and I will go away, until I post my results. The recipe doesn't say how much yeast to pitch. I used the pitching calculator and based on the OG: 1.063 I had to add 22 grams before it stated no starter was needed. 1 packet at 11.5g had a difference of -104 billion cells. If I am going to rehydrate the yeast without a starter is two too many or is 1 sufficient? I don't want to over pitch with 2 packets.
     
  14. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    How many cells did it say you needed? Generally one pack of rehydrated dry yeast is fine for 5 gallons of normal strength wort. If you're off by a little bit, you're fine.If it's calling for 211 billion and your yeast is fresh and you rehydrate properly, one pack should do it. If your yeast is six months old and it's calling for 330 billion, use two packs. I usually use one pack of fresh dry yeast for my normal strength beers, seems to be working just fine so far. What you are trying to avoid is a massive over or under pitch.
     
  15. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Yeast says use by 9/2014. Calc says 219 billion cells are needed. Below is a screen shot with one pack and with two packs. I could buy two and skip rehydration so I don't f it up, but with the directions you provided I feel confident about it.

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  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Troof be told, for 219, I'd just rehydrate one pack of fresh yeast (assuming 200 for dry)
     
  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    We're good to go.

    We put a two page "plan" together that covers equipment, ingredients, process/steps and important notes. That may have been the best advice. Just going over the processes we were able to catch potentiality issues or hurdles and make adjustments and a make a plan b.

    Thanks again!
     
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  18. Bakker

    Bakker Zealot (500) Aug 1, 2010 Illinois
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    I just saw this thread for the first time. You are good to go. Don't forget to have a good time brewing! A few guys here mentioned not drinking while you brew, not sure I agree with that. But.... moderation would be important.
    One last thing, make sure you have a good timer.
    Looking forward to hearing about the results.
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I got trashed on a brew day. I wasn't aiming for that, but a growler lead to a bomber led to a 750. The end result was tasty beer, but I got lazy and left all my equipment to be cleaned the next day. What a mess. I will never brew drunk or at night again.
     
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  20. janky

    janky Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2013 Washington

    Brew the beer you want to drink (like another poster said).
    Understand that you're not going to magically be a professional brewer in the first or second batch. Read, study, and prepare. An IPA/PA should be a great first brew. Even if you wanted to do a far more complex brew, you'd just have to study more and be patient with taking a few tries to real nail it down.

    Other than that, just like anything else in life, it's a LEARNING process. So aim big, try it out, and learn from your mistakes to make your next batch better.
     
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