First homebrew.

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  1. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I'm going to make my first attempt at brewing a beer next thursday and have been thinking about the gameplan. The beer is meant to be a top fermented ersatz-pilsner.

    Malt
    1.85 lbs Finnish pilsner malt
    Hops
    20 grams Hallertau Mittelfrüh at 3.6% AA at 60 minutes
    5 grams Hallertau Mittelfrüh at 3.6% AA at 5 minutes
    Target OG
    12%
    Strike water
    3 quarts
    Sparge water
    2 quarts
    Pre boil volume
    5 quarts
    Post boil volume (10% boil off?)
    4.4 quarts
    Yeast
    2.8 grams of Safale US-05 dry yeast (at 70 grams per HL)

    Does this all look half-way reasonable? I'm limited by the size of the brewpot which holds about 4.5 liters comfortably. The volume of strike water I've worked out from John Palmer's book How to brew (online version), 1.5 quarts per pound malt. This leaves me with less room to work with as far as sparge water goes however, he recommends 1.5-2 times as much sparge water as strike water, I'll be using less sparge water than strike water instead. Will this be a major problem I wonder? Another question I have is how much yeast to use, on their website they recommend 50-80 grams per HL, is it advisable to use the higher end of this range, 80, or even more, of a dry yeast such as this one?

    Having read some other threads it seems like it is advised by some to leave the beer sitting in the fermenter for up to 3 weeks. I don't plan on using a secondary, would it be advisable to leave the beer sitting in the fermenter with the yeast for around 3 weeks or is it necessary to remove the beer from the yeast during this period? I'm planning on bottling the beers, and will let them sit in the fridge for some time after bottling, perhaps a couple of weeks to start with. In order to carbonate the beers it seems like a sugar addition will be required, should the beers be allowed to sit in room temperature (same temp as the fermenter) after bottling to allow a secondary fermentation to take place prior to putting them in the fridge?

    Alot of my concerns regard the actual mashing, of being able to keep a steady temperature over the span of an hour. I've worked out that the strike water needs to be slightly higher temp than the desired mash temp, but I'm wondering how much of a problem it will be to maintain the temperature in a stainless steel pot of 4.5 liters. At 3 quarts strike water I'll be able to squeeze in some additions of hot water to raise the temp I guess. Using the oven to keep a steady temp is something I've seen mentioned and might try, I'll have to experiment with a water filled pot in the next few days and dial in the temperature setting for such a low heat without risking crossing into 75C territory. Perhaps a mix of both might work well.

    I'm thinking that I might be overthinking some things, whilst not considering other things in enough detail, so I'm hoping that by posting my thoughts here others can chime in with their experience.
     
  2. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Yeah, that's all fine and good. But without the blood sacrifice to the Beer Gods, it's pointless to even try. Generally a goat or lamb will do, but you can always use that pesky little neighbor kid who you just KNOW keyed your car last year if you're in a pinch. :grimacing:

    Generally you do lose a little heat from the water when you add the strike water to the grain, but on such a small batch it won't be a whole lot, so keep your strike water within the acceptable range for mashing. You'll probably only lose a few degrees, and it's more of a PITA than you think trying to adjust the mash temperature after you've already mixed it all together. Keeping the mash at a good temp using the oven does work when you;re not using an insulated mash tun. Air transfers heat far less efficiently than water, and you can easily drop the oven temperature by opening the door, so this will likely be less of an issue than you think. Also the majority of conversion in a mash is likely to be done within the first 15 minutes anyway, so slight drifting near the end is not a big deal.

    It's mainly the Beer Gods youneedta be concerned with. If you piss them off, they'll probably have you driving the porcelain bus for a trip around the bathroom all night long. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  3. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Thanks for the input. It sounds like using the oven is a good idea. From what I've gathered I'll be removing the pot from the oven and stirring it up once every 15-20 minutes or so, I suppose it's a good idea to stir the mash for some time each time it's taken out of the oven (5 minutes each time perhaps?), to give the malt the opportunity to be in suspension and more evenly distributed in the liquid inbetween being placed in the oven?

    Another question that I have concerns the wort boil. Is it a good idea to start with the highest setting on the stove and let it come to a "cascading" boil more or less and then bring it down a notch for the remainder of the time? Or should one go for the full-whack cascading boil the full hour?

    A second question concerns the cooling of the wort, I wont have a hop bag so the whole cone hops will be loose, is it a good idea to remove the hops prior to chilling the wort (limiting the late hop addition to those last 5 minutes of the boil), or is it fine to leave them in until the wort is transferred to the fermenter? I'm thinking that a post-boil soak might be good for the flavor contribution of the late hops, but it might be detrimental in the cooling process (from a sanitation standpoint for example)?
     
  4. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    That's good to hear, so 3 weeks it is.

    I see, that certainly changes the time schedule I had in mind, thanks for the heads up on that.

    Thanks!
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Where did you gather that? You don't have to stir it at all after your initial dough-in. You can if you want, but it would take all of 5 seconds to do that. Not 5 minutes. But you said "stir the mash for some time each time it's taken out of the oven." Why would you be taking it out of the oven periodically?

    I use a slow rolling boil. You don't have to vary the roll throughout the boil. The most important thing is that the wort is actually moving and that it's consistent from batch to batch, so that you can dial-in your boil-off losses and hop utilization.

    Leave the hops in during cooling. It will result in more flavor/aroma, and won't slow the cooling down enough to worry about. Leave them behind when you transfer the wort to your fermenter.
     
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  6. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I was reading this page where Palmer writes that the mash should be stirred at those intervals to achieve an even temperature and conversion. I was thinking that by leaving the mash inside the oven for an hour the grain would settle to the bottom and reduce the amount of conversion taking place (as well as the extraction), and that by mixing it up occasionally the grain would have more even exposure to the liquid and aid in the conversion and extraction (although I was unsure as to how thorough the mixing would need to be if that was the case). That was my hypothesis at least.

    That's good to know, and good to hear as it will make it easier to manage than at full-blast I imagine.

    Sounds good.
     
  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Just give it a quick stir then put it right back in the oven.

    Rolling, vigorous boil = good. Slow gentle boil = scorching possible. When it's boiling vigorously, the fluid is moving around quickly and it never gets time to boil.

    You can strain the wort with a big strainer. Sanitize heavily bla bla bla sanitation = good.

    I smell pancakes cooking downstairs gotta go! :grinning:
     
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  8. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    oops had to fix that
     
  9. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    It seems like rehydrating the yeast is a good idea, is it sufficient to boil up some water and let it cool, then stir in the yeast 15-30 minutes prior to pitching it? Or should I set aside some of the wort for this task at the wort cooling stage? Is either method perfectly fine?
     
  10. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I simply rehydrated my dry yeast in warm water (boiled and cooled, with the glass jar sanitized as well) for about 30mins... I had a little sugar in there as well to get the yeast going and pitched into my fermenter after I aerated.
     
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  11. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I'm at the wort cooling stage atm and I noticed this white blob sitting in the pot, I'm guessing that this is cold break that should be carefully removed?
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, the cold break should settle out. There is no need to explicitly remove it. Some folks siphon their chilled wort as their transfer to the fermenter and thereby leave the cold break behind. I personally do not siphon and just let the cold break settle to the bottom of my fermenter (plastic bucket).

    Cheers!
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, that's cold break. My advice is to siphon around it, or strain the wort on its way to the fermenter. I do the latter.
     
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  14. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    So the beer is fermenting away and I'll be looking to bottle the beer in a little less than 2 weeks, and I'm thinking about the sugar (priming) addition. I've gathered that I should boil up some water, dissolve the sugar in it and let it cool. The first question I have is how much water it needs to be mixed with, as per brewer's friend's calculator it seems like I'll be needing around 28 grams of table sugar to get to the carbonation level I had in mind (2.2 volumes at 5 liters beer). Another question is at what temperature the sugar solution should be at when adding the beer to the bottling bucket, should it be room temp (same temp as the room of the fermenter)? As I understand it I'll add the solution to the bucket, add the beer carefully to the bucket, stir carefully to mix the two and then bottle it.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Use the smallest amount of water you can that will dissolve the sugar. In your case, I'd say maybe about 4 ounces.

    The temp of the sugar solution isn't critical. The thermal mass of the beer is much greater, so you won't hurt anything with a hot sugar solution. That said, if you want to cover and cool it, that won't hurt anything either.
     
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  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Wort is not going to scorch.
     
  17. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    I feel the same way. I believe conventional wisdom is to cool the sugar solution for priming, however I have started just dropping the just-boiled solution into my bottling bucket. The small amount of solution will equalize with the remainder of your beer quickly. I guess if you were making a 1/2 gallon batch I would take more care in cooling, but not for 5 gallons. Since you are doing almost a gallon, maybe let it cool for a few minutes.
     
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    As long as the ratio of the volume of the sugar solution to the volume of the beer is unchanged, the smaller batch size shouldn't matter.

    But again, there's no harm in cooling either.
     
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  19. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I usually add enough water to my sugar solution to get my beer volume to the gallon volume requirement of the recipe. For that reason, I always try to be a little short of the required amount during fermentation knowing that I'll be adding more liquid. Usually I'm about a quart short, so that's what I boil.

    Mixing that sugar solution is important, and with the number of reports that we read in this forum about inconsistent carbonation, I always gently stir that solution (with upward strokes from the bottom) at the time of the addition as well as 3-4 times during the bottling process (for 5 gallons). I think the laws of physics say that the warmer the solution might be, the easier that it will mix with the cooler liquid of the beer, but I usually get mine close to room temp before adding it.
     
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  20. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I feel like I've given this advice before
     
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