First time home brewing from Intro thread..

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  1. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

  2. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    So where am I at? It's been 25 hours no signs of life. Sooo,.. going to go to brew shop tomorrow and get more yeast. If nothing happens by 7pm, 48 hours, then maybe re throw? Worse case, I'll make more beer with the yeast if I don't use it. , hehe. The first part of the batch came out perfect. I am using grain not extract and that part came out perfect. Did a taste test during initial testing gravity after boil was 1.060, this is a Belgian Brew with Est final gravity at 1.015, you could taste cood flavor, but very sweet. Yeast is White Labs - WLP500 Ale Yeast (Liquid).

    2 things I think might be a factor, 1) the temp was around 82-84 when yeast was thrown. 2) Girl friend was freakign out because we forgot to filter out the wort before putting it into the fermenter, I'm new, but I am pretty sure that doesn't matter as we where planning on putting it into a secondary glass carboy for secondary fermination.

    Ask me any questions I am new so I may not even know what to say.
     
  3. Beejay

    Beejay Pooh-Bah (2,559) Dec 29, 2008 Virginia
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    Pitching around 82-84 is way too hot, I'm surprised you haven't seen any signs of fermentation.. Although sometimes it can take a good few days to really kick off. Maybe after 48 hours you should get worried. Give it a good swirl and see if it foams up.. that's usually a good indication that fermentation is beginning. What temp are you fermenting at now?

    You likely don't need to filter it before putting it in the fermenter, I never do. As a side note, I almost never do an actual secondary, and many agree that it really isn't necessary, but to each their own.

    Cheers, and welcome to the hobby.
     
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  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    The most common question of every new brewer is "x hours and no activity, what do I do?" Search the forum it's littered with this very same question. Before doing anything open the fermenter and confirm there is no activity. Unless you have a clear carboy then no need to open it. If that is the case wait a full 48 hours.

    What's the current temp of the wort?

    P.s. I never filter my beer transferring it into the fermenter, but I do leave some trub behind. Regardless doesn't effect the yeast fermenting. It may effect something else but not yeast activity.
     
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  5. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    Current Temp is 70°f

    Just went and cracked it open to take a peak,.. there is nothing,.. maybe 6-7 quarter size islands of bubbles. I think there would be much more then that by now.
     
  6. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    So, I have a couple of questions that can really help me help you.
    1) How did you aerate your wort?
    2) How much yeast did you pitch?
    3) Did you add any yeast nutrient?
    4) What type of water did you use? Tap or distilled/reverse osmosis?
     
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  7. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Made a starter and used the same yeast(wlp500) in my Belgium Quad. It should starting bubbling by day 2. I fermented at 65 for 3 weeks then added a little yeast for another week.
     
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  8. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    1) Yes? it was transferred twice after the yeast was added. Long story short GF freaked because we didn't strain it before going into fermenter bucket. I knew it didn't matter, but meh,.. but we strained after adding yeast. I called the beer supply store they said it wouldn't matter because yeast is microscopic and there is nothing that can filter that. So I assume most of it is still in there?

    2) Says on bottle 35mls

    3) Nope? I literally dropped it from the test tube container thing into the bucket.

    4) http://www.drinksmartwater.com - I didn't want to use Nasty Los Angeles water so I used for the most part Smart water and when that ran out I used a few quarts of Britta filtered water.
     
  9. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    Ok, so I'm pretty certain I know what is happening.
    1) You didn't aerate your wort nearly enough. Long story short, yeast cells need oxygen to keep their cell walls fluid enough to split and replicate. The higher the gravity the more stressfull the environment is, so the yeast needs more oxygen. There are plenty of things online that you should look up on this. I aerate by vigorously shaking the chilled wort in the sanitized carboy for five minutes. That being said, I'm a recently graduated collegiate rugby player, so 70lbs of sloshing wort isn't that bad. If that's too heavy for you or you're doing more high gravity stuff, i would recommend an oxygen diffusion system.
    This will cause a longer than usual lag-phase where the yeast is doing stuff, but you can't tell yet. If there's nothing going on after 72 hours, I would say shake it until it's frothy and pitch another vial of yeast. This will make it stale faster, so after you bottle it maybe throw a party to drink it asap.

    2) You didn't pitch nearly enough yeast. Higher gravity brews need a lot of yeast to work their magic. Look into pitch rates and starters for higher gravity brews.
    This could also be another issue. Underpitching can cause a stalled fermention and long lag phase. Also, once it's done you might have excess esters (fruity flavor and aroma compounds) and fusel alcohols (that hot booze feeling). This might actually not be an issue since Belgian beer is very fruity. To fix this, refer to 1.

    3) If you didn't add nutrient this could also be an issue. This could also cause a long lag phase because the cells don't have enough nitrogen to replicate their DNA, and they need some of the metals in there as catalysts. Many times the grain provides enough nutrients, but better safe than sorry in my opinion.
    No fix for this, just remember next time.

    4) Your water probably isn't the issue. This being said, this is going to be an expensive hobby if you're using Smart Water. I would recommend going to King Soopers (or wherever you get groceries in California), buy some 5gallon jugs of distilled water, and adjust your water to the mineral content that you want. So, look into adjusting minerals in water.

    Overall, don't lose sleep over this. Yeah, you did some rookie mistakes, but I messed about every step up in my first beer. Sure it wasn't even close to being an oatmeal stout like I wanted, but it was damn tasty. So, along those lines, keep pretty details notes on what you did, temperatures, and observations on what and when beer is doing stuff in case you want to replicate this, or to reference what NOT to do.

    Welcome to the best hobby in the world, and if you have questions this forum is a great place to look.
     
  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The yeast have to start showing up somewhere, and "6-7 quarter-sized islands of bubbles" is a start. Since you likely stressed you first yeast with the pitch temp being a bit high, and since you are purchasing more yeast today, if the top of your beer is not filled with bubbles when you look again, or you're still not seeing a good rate of bubbling in the air lock, I'd go ahead and pitch the new yeast. Your current ambient temp of 70 is just a smidgen high for the best temp for fermentation, so if you can get that fermentor down just a couple of degrees, that will be beneficial. If you don't have a way to lower the temp like moving it to the basement or creating a swamp cooler, sometimes just setting the fermentor onto the floor instead of a table in a room will drop that temp a couple of degrees (assuming it's on a table now).

    There's not much else that you can do at this point except to wait it out and see what you get. But I think waiting for the results can still make an acceptable beer, so don't consider dumping it at this point.
     
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  11. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    I've had the fermenter inside a larger bin with frozen water bottles I am rotating. @ 1 liter bottles of ice given the ambient temp through out the day is now keeping it at 65-68°f, so it is getting lower. I am going to go to the supply shop and get more yeast and make a starter batch to pitch if necessary, which at this point I think is almost a certainty.

    Given what you all are saying I think what happened is I simply pitched at to high of a temp and that killed some, then I filtered it taking some out, then not enough to begin with,. soooo,.. yea I am not surprised looking back on this where I am at. I think the batch is still salvageable, but action at this point is definitely needed.
     
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  12. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    So I just got back from the brew supply store. He gave me a packet of Dry Ale Yeast and Super Food. Got home, opened the bucket, looked like really nothing has changed (Made batch Sunday 7pm PST), so I dropped in the yeast with the food (Like 1/4 teaspoon of food). I'll just hope for the best now. But, while I was there I also got a 2000mL Erlenmeyer Flask and a better thermometer next time I'm making a starter batch.
     
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  13. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    We have signs of life!!!! :grinning:
     
  14. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    So now that I have this thing bubbling every few seconds. What should I look for when deciding to rack this thing into secondary fermentation via carboy? Longer duration between bubbles? I got another batch that needs brewing :grinning:
     
  15. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    You should leave the beer in the primary until active fermentation is finished. This can be figured out by taking hydrometer readings over the course of a few days.

    Ideally, the beer should remain in primary even longer than this to allow the yeast to clean up any off flavors. My beers usually spend a minimum of two weeks in primary. Usually longer.

    Why secondary? Its not needed for most styles and you run the risk of exposing your beer to oxygen.

    If you really have the itch to brew another batch my advice would be to buy another primary.
     
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  16. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    Well,.. truth be told I am not a fan of a plastic tub. While I do have another batch to make, maybe I can make that and put that in the carboy instead, and/or buy another one of those for the first batch. I have no way to get a sample out of the current container without opening the lid and I think I would let more air in that way then if it was in a carboy.
     
  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you are brewing 5-gallon batches, you just need to be sure that your primary is a 6.5 gallon size. Using a 5-gallon carboy as a primary for a 5-gallon batch does not give you enough headroom for the krausen.
    This is very wise. That's why you don't want to get anxious and start taking too many samples for multiple gravity readings every time that you think fermentation might be done.
     
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  18. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    I have a 6.5 Gallon carboy yes, and I can get another, they are cheap.
     
  19. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Dont fear the plastic bucket. Yes, to take a sample you have to open the bucket, but there is no need to constantly open the bucket. If you are patient and pitch plenty of healthy yeast, when you open that bucket up at the 2 or 3 week mark I can almost guarantee you will be done with fermentation.
     
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  20. ThomasJoseph315

    ThomasJoseph315 Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2016 Washington

    arg,.. new problem,.. the fermenter is stinking up the house! LOL!

    Edit: I think I got it solved for now, I moved fermenter near a window and put a box fan in the window. This will work for this batch, but I need a permanent solution.
     
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