First time Imperial IPA

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  1. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    Yea, I was just reading up on that. I think the rolling pin is a better idea.
     
  2. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    to each their own...i found cluster to be all the worst of chinook without any of the good. Accidentally added too much back in the day to a brown ale, 2oz instead of 1/2oz at KO, of course brewed for my wedding in '04. It wasn't quite a drain pour, but definitely struggled to get through the 2 cases. Last time i used cluster. Guess i should revisit though since i could be placing too much blame on the cluster and not enough on the brown malt:

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/16094/69817
     
  3. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I am sorry that you did not have a good experience. I have not used more then an ounce in the last 5 minutes and generaly only a half ounce with a half ounce of somthing else.
     
  4. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    funny how you get into habits of choosing certain hops for certain recipes...i've never even thought of using cluster since then. That said I will be brewing a cream ale soon so may give a go in that recipe instead of willamette which i've used the last few times on the recommendation.
     
  5. suprchunk

    suprchunk Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2012

    Unless you want to actually extract any flavor from it. You can grind it with the coffee grinder then put it in right before the lauter, or runoff. Or if you don't want any characteristics from it, do as above, or leave it out. Same thing.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    To the OP: Most peope would disagree about using a coffee grinder. Shredding grains is not generally recommended.
     
  7. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I would consider using about 10% sugar in place of some ME. 1.019 is on the high side for final gravity. I struggle with my 7gal batch of extract plus c40 with 12% sugar to get it down below 1.015. The ones I have made that didn't finish out below 1.018 or 1.019 seemed syrupy to me. Delicious but hard to forget the excess sweetness. I would also try to make as big a batch as possible to make up for the excessive wort absorption from all the hops.
     
  8. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia


    So you suggest adding table sugar? brown sugar? and I'm not sure what c40 is. help me out thanks!

    also, I just looked at it, and adding table sugar raises both my og and fg
     
  9. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    c40 = Crystal / Caramel Malt 40L
    As for sugars, if you don't want any character from it use table sugar. Corn sugar is a LHBS rip-off from years gone by when people fermented badly and got bad beer. If you want character from the sugar consider honey. I personally would add the sugar directly to the primary once it has fully krausened and is at peak fermentation, you can add it to the boil (but would lose honey's wonderful aromatics if boiled too long)
     
  10. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    It seems that that would raise my fg, and scurvey said he thinks it would be syrupy that way. I have no idea
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you mean sugar would increase your FG and make it syrupy, it would not. Simply adding sugar will increase OG and ABV, but FG will not increase. If you substitute sugar for some malt in the right proportions to hit the same OG, then FG will actually decrease, and make a dryer beer.
     
  12. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    ah I see. it seemed like and had to do a major shift thoug. I moved from 4lbs extract to 3lbs and added 12ounces. that seems like a lot of sugar to add and a lot of malt to take away, no? excuse my naivete
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Depends on what you're trying to accomplish, but a pound of table sugar is equal to about 1.27 lbs of LME from an OG perspective.
     
  14. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    I would aim for 10-20% of your total fermentables coming from sugar (that's less than 10-20% of the mass due to the PPG and efficiency of the steep).

    With 4# of LME initially, I'd replace about 8-12 oz of it, or consider eliminating the C60 and replacing it with the same amount of sugar. I would assume that "Gold LME" has a fair amount of crystal in it already.
     
  15. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    What Vikeman said. I'm cooking for good Friday so I am not on top of my BA account. Regular table sugar is fine. A touch of crystal helps support the bitterness but too much sweetness makes it hard to enjoy for me.

    90% lme (morebeer light ME) + 10% sugar to 1.085ish plus 1/2 ounce C40 woulld be my 2gal equivalent. It works well for me. I use WL001 at 62-64 degrees. I find I get a little more attenuation than WL1056. Sometimes I hit 1.013-1.014, sometimes I have to spike with champagne yeast to finish or just blend with a dryer pale beer if I have another keg of some.

    Don't take my opinions as more than opinions. I am always a little leary of making predictions/corrections to another persons work. Everyone's results vary with a given recipe.

    As far as hop schedule goes, I don't tread in those waters. It's difficult to mess up a hop schedule if you use enough bittering additions and you use late hop additions of hops you like.
     
  16. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    ok here is another thought. Instead of adding sugar, what about some amylase. i was just looking at this and thought it might be an interesting alternative
     
  17. BattleRoadBrewer

    BattleRoadBrewer Savant (1,063) Oct 8, 2005 Massachusetts

    I wonder whether adding amylase powder to a mash will give you "super enzymes" which convert more/better compared to the enzymes naturally occurring in malt, lending a drier beer?

    I added amylase to a stuck fermentation (a wit stuck at 1.018 that I had expected to go down to about 1.010). After a week it was at 1.005 and didn't seem to be dropping further, so I bottled. The amylase continued to convert, so the yeasties continued to ferment. Had some exploding bottles, but I enjoyed the light body. Amylase needs to be denatured by boiling or it keeps chugging along forever. Never again had a stuck fermentation; if I do, I'll re-pitch with more yeast rather than adding amylase.
     
  18. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    http://hopville.com/recipe/1272343/imperial-ipa-recipes/gorilla-fist-imperial-ipa

    So I just dry hopped this guy last night. I did my measurements and here's what I found:

    Tastes great. not as bitter as I was expecting though.
    good aroma. also not as strong as expecting, but thats why we dry hop.
    Og and Fg ended up being 1.070-1.011 7.9% ABV
    instead of 1.074-1.019 7.3% ABV
    Added a second packet of yeast after about 4 days of no activity from the original packet.

    I'm trying to understand how I was able to get that large drop in gravity compared to expected results. I think this could be due to the fact that i added a second packet of Wyeast British Ale. does the drop means our effeciency was greater than the 75% estimate that hopville.com uses? did the yeast have a higher level of attenuation than the 74% listed? does the extra packet of yeast have anything to do with it?

    Also, why might the beer taste less hoppy than expected? is there an easy way homebrewers measure the alpha of their hops?

    Thanks for ya'lls help!
     
  19. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Your OG was lower than expected, that means you got a lower efficiency than hopville had planned for. You have little that efficiency affects though (it doesn't affect extracts). If your volume is off by a bit too it can affect your OG (in your case it was more dilute than expected)

    That would be why. They are best guesses. Programs are bad at dealing with attenuation if you have varying mash temperatures, simple sugars, etc.. (none of which you have)

    Nope. All the Rager / Tinseth / etc... calculations are best guess averages and the AA of hops is at the time of testing, and age / oxygen penetration / etc... degrades them.
     
  20. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    Thanks for the insight

    so did the extra yeast packet haveanything to do with the increased attenuation? did it help speed the process, or provide more yeast to chomp on sugar, or was increased attenuation going to occur regardless of one or two packets?
     
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