First Time mistakes.

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  1. Clevername

    Clevername Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2017 North Carolina

    Ok so a brief recount of all that happened, definitely a learning experience, hopefully producing drinkable beer.

    Bought my northern Brewer deluxe home starter kit, which came with the brown ale extract kit.

    Out of the box I'm doing inventory, manage to shatter my 6 gallon carboy. I say screw it this cook is happening today and opt to place it all into my 5 gallon carboy, which was supposed to be the secondary fermenter.

    Learned heating up on the stove takes quite awhile to really get a rolling boil on 2.5 gallons of water. Managed to add the extracts with no boil overs, I was very cautious about this and at the first boil bubbles, pulled off the heat element and added my malt and DME, completely stirred and returned to heat source. Rest of boil went smoothly as nothing crazy going on just hop additions.

    Fermentation, as described before had to transfer this into my 5 gallon carboy instead of the 6. Like an idiot, was sterilizing my metal strainer in my 5 gallon bucket with rest of equipment. Yeah it's an oxidizer, pulled it out with all these tiny rust spots on it. Cleaned and pressed on while wort was cooling off. Managed to get wort down to around 80, added 1.5 gallons cold tap to carboy. Added wart and continued adding tap until 5 gallons. Put in bung, rocked carboy to aerate for 3 mins. Removed bung, forgot to take a sample for hydrometer reading. Dumped in yeast without rehydration. Moved my batch to it's resting location (my guest closet) attached blow-off tube to carboy leading down into my sanitation solution.

    Hope you enjoyed this recount of all my mistakes, I learned alot and took a ton of notes to help fine tune the process for next time.

    Cheers, Mike
     
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  2. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    Really the only mistake you made was breaking your carboy, and that's just bad luck, sorry to hear about that one. Not taking a gravity sample is not the worst thing ever if you are using a kit, the kits generally will let you know what ABV to expect and if you followed the instructions you should be just fine to hit the target. Everything else you did seems pretty good and it sounds like you had a good brew day man, congrats!
     
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  3. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    This will not be your last mistake while brewing! I probably forget to take gravity readings once a year. There is also no reason to transfer your beer to a secondary unless you are going to age it with another ingredient. Have fun with your new hobby!
     
  4. Clevername

    Clevername Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2017 North Carolina

    Why would directions call for a move to secondary fermenter then?
    So I should do the full 3-4 weeks in one fermenter?
    Directions said 2 weeks primary, 2 weeks secondary, 2 weeks bottled.
    I'm honestly asking as it's my first time.
     
  5. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    Racking it off the yeast and moving it to a secondary vessel can have clarifying effects and there is belief that long term aging on a yeast bed is not good, though less than a month has never had any issues for me. The downsides are, every time you transfer your risk you risk infection and oxidation. So for your average batch probably not worth the risk, but like a lot of things it comes down to preference.
     
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  6. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    I don't do a secondary unless I'm adding a secondary ingredient (fruit or the like). It's a chance fro oxidation and contamination that is not worth the benefit (there is usually no noticeable benefit).
     
  7. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    It seems like the Home brew company's that sell starter kits want to sell you more equipment then needed and substantiate this with giving you more or less bad direction. I leave most all of my beers on the yeast cake for three weeks then package. Take care!
     
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  8. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I think these kits all follow recipe templates which haven't been updated in 10-15 years. Common practice now is to not bother with secondary fermentation without a specific reason to do so (oaking, adding fruit, long-term aging).
     
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  9. Clevername

    Clevername Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2017 North Carolina

    Great information, thanks all.
    So my next question? How hard are the big boys? IE imperial Stouts, tripples, quads.
    How much experience does one need to tackle these guys?
     
  10. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    As long as you have a really good, healthy pitch of yeast, the rest of the process is much the same. That is, unless you plan on getting fancy with oak-aging the stout or adding some Brett to the Belgian styles.
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you have confidence in your procedures, then go for it with one of those 'big boy' recipes. BUT, you will need to replace that bigger carboy or face a real mess and loss of beer if you try to ferment one of those beer recipes in your 5-gallon carboy. Installing a blow-off tube only allows the krausen a way out, and a lot it will get out and be lost.
     
  12. Clevername

    Clevername Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2017 North Carolina

    So how big a carboy would be necessary?
     
  13. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    6.5 gallon carboy preferably (I'd prefer 7-7.5, but can't find any). Also be aware that you will need a way to oxygenate (like with pure O2) to get even close to the oxygen levels you're supposed to have for a high gravity fermentation.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  15. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Good luck on your first beer. I too made many a mistake on my first try! I can't wait to see your beer.
     
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  16. jmarsh123

    jmarsh123 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2010 Indiana
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    I melted my colander steaming oak chips on my first batch.

    Much later on, I was brewing a stout and a Flanders in the same day. Got my yeast mixed up. Stout with Roselare yeast was an interesting experiment.
     
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  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    One thing that is important to consider with high gravity fermentation is that the heat generated during fermentation can get out of control. Higher than desired fermentation temps create fusel alcohols and unwanted esters. If you don't have the ability to control your temps I would urge you not to take on a big beer.
     
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  18. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I brew 3-4 big beers a year and have never used pure oxygen. I made them for four or five years shaking the bucket and since then with my stir paddle hooked to a drill motor. My last one hit 15.5%. Commercial brewery's cannot shake their fermenters so oxygen is by far easier. I have nothing against using oxygen if that is what you like but to tell someone they can't make a big beer without it is ridiculous! Take care.
     
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  19. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    I'm not saying you can't, but people have checked dissolved O2 using different methods and shaking never got to the recommended levels. It got within a few ppm, but never got to ideal. You may make great beer just agitating, but you remove a variable by oxygenating.
     
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  20. StupidlyBrave

    StupidlyBrave Zealot (507) Jan 2, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I have put the parts of what you said which resonate with me in bold. I do this always, but I would be happy to concede that I am wasting time/resources on a lower gravity beer.
     
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