Foam problems... Don't know what else to try

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  1. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    • Brew: Bell's Official (New England IPA)
    • Temperature in glass: 36 degrees
    • Pressure: 10 psi
    • Line: 3/16" inner diameter
    • Line length: 10 feet
    • Faucet: Intertap Forward Sealing (Stainless Steel)
    • Keg coupler: Kegco Sankey D
    • CO2 hose: 5/16" inner diameter
    • Tower is cooled by a fan
    • Pouring the pint properly-tilted
    The glass is about 3/4 foam when I pour. Even on the second glass, third glass, it's mostly foam.

    Any help would be much appreciated!
     
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  2. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    First thought; Look to see if there are bubbles in your beer line rising from the coupler...

    Second; Put a small glass of water on the floor of the keg box and report the temp tomorrow am

    Third; Untap the keg, but do it slowly and pay attention to its orientation as it disconnects. Then rotate the coupler 180* and tap it again. Pour a few ounces and look for bubbles escaping the coupler via the beer line.

    Let us know what you see...
     
  3. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    There are several large bubbles in the beer line, including two just above the coupler.

    After disconnecting the coupler and turning 180 degrees, reconnecting, then pouring a few ounces, the beer line looks clear of bubbles. Of course the pour was foamy.

    Will report back tomorrow on water temperature at bottom of kegerator.
     
  4. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    Perfect.

    Before you pour any beer tomorrow...look for CO2 in the beer line again as well.

    Well done!
     
  5. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    The water at the bottom of the kegerator measured 36 degrees.

    The large bubbles have reformed. It looks like gaps of air in the line, like sections of beer and sections of air. The largest section is about 4 inches long and is at the coupler.
     
  6. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    Sounds like the system is slightly low in terms of pressure. Bells Two Hearted and Official can be a wee bit finicky at times. According to the CO2 carbonation chart, your pressure should be right around 11.5psi.

    The key to balancing this keg is to raise the pressure slowly until the gaps of gas disappear and the beer line is fully packed with beer.

    I’d start by increasing CO2 pressure 1/4 turn clockwise and pulling 2-3oz beer (just enough to fill the line). Wait an hour and inspect the line for gaps. After the initial 1/4 turn, continue the process hourly until the gaps finally disappear. At this point, you have manually balanced the system. I generally bump the regulator and additional 1/8 turn clockwise at this point...ymmv.

    The odds are excellent that you will be pouring clear beer at this point and as the system will perform even better tomorrow.

    Note: The gauge on your regulator may or may not be accurate depending on its age and how it’s been handled. Manually balancing the system is a tried and true method to good pours.
     
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  7. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    The best part of dialing in like this is part of the experiment is you have to drink. In the name of science of course.
     
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  8. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    I bumped up the pressure a little, poured a few ounces, and of course the beer line is full with no gaps. Should I expect if I pour a fresh glass right now that it will be a good pour, without all the foam? When I pour now, I get 90 percent foam. Even with the beer line looking good.

    Another piece to the puzzle... I discovered yesterday the CO2 tank is losing gas quickly. A leak. The nut on the coupler CO2 connection was not tight and this seems to have fixed the leak. Is it possible this CO2 affected the keg in some irreversible way that is causing the foam?
     
  9. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Good news. These is no way the keg has been adversely affected by a leak, but it’s good that you caught it.

    As far as the foam issue...this requires a little patience. It should take a bump of pressure or three to get it right. It’s also critical that the beer stay at 36* and not get any warmer as that would then require additional pressure.

    i implore you to stay the course, have some patience and this’ll bear fruit by tomorrow morning.
     
  10. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    As you get to fine tuning, temp consistency from keg to faucet is important. Many people with long lines tend to coil them on top of the keg, the warmest spot in the box. I keep them at the bottom, which most closely approximates the beer temp coming from the bottom of the keg. Also keep them off the cold plate, which will make them too cold.
     
  11. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    I raised the pressure slightly and after some time, the line is full of beer with no air gaps. Unfortunately, the pour is still entirely foam.
     
  12. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    Thanks Doug. I'll check that out.
     
  13. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    Tested again this morning. The beer line is full of beer. The pour is about 95% foam.

    Does this mean the issue is between the coupler and the faucet?
     
  14. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Hmmm. Very interesting. While this process works 99% of the time...congrats, you won the lottery. To add to the pain, your estimate of the foam has gone up 5%.

    If the beer line is packed with beer and there are no gaps due to gas, my next move would be to disconnect the coupler, bleed the pressure out of the line and remove the faucet.

    Clean and rebuild the faucet to see if there might be something causing turbulence in the faucet assembly. If you have the standard faucet, ensure that both drain holes in the faucet body are free of yeast and beerstone. The best way to verify is to hold the pour spout to a bright source of light and look through the top where the bonnet connects.

    Once the faucet is rebuilt, allow a staggered pour or two to cool the faucet down to pouring temperature or soak it in cold water for two minutes.
     
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  15. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Regulator or gauge?
     
  16. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

  17. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Might get to switching up the regulator later but for now let's keep the variables to a minimum and keep on with @IceAce.

    Cheers
     
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  18. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    I'd also check the shank for any burrs or damage. I had a brand new shank that had a burr on the ID of the barbed fitting and I missed it when installing it. While playing the swapping game, uncouple the porter, and put that coupler and line on the IPA and run it in the porter shank / faucet.
     
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  19. gblayenet

    gblayenet Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2020

    I swapped the two faucets with each other. Now the Porter pours foamy and the IPA pours great! So one of the faucets is defective. I say defective (not dirty) because it is new.

    I'll have to see if I can exchange it for another.

    I appreciate so much you guys taking the time to help me narrow this down. I've learned a lot!
     
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  20. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Winner! Easy fix.
     
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