Foamy Beer

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  1. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Hi there all,
    Just wanted to say thanks for all the help on the forums. I have read and read but I cannot for the life of me get the kegerator not to foam. Here are my symptoms and setup

    I have a kegerator door conversion on a frigidaire full fridge. I have the temperature setting at it's coldest which is reading 39/40 degrees on 2nd pour. The foam looks like it's coming straight out of the keg when i first open the tap, then subsequently it goes down the line. I have 6' of line and i have lowered my pressure from 10-12psi to around 5psi. I cleaned everything before I put the kegerator all together and now just not sure what to do.

    I have let the keg sit 3 days and vented the co2 a few times to lower the pressure back down to 5psi.

    I have a Sweetwater 420 IPA as the full keg and i get about 75% foam and 50% occasionaly. The foam does lower a tiny bit if i lower the psi like i have to 5, but i'm afraid my 420 may go flat.

    I have a dual guage from MicroMatic and i've wasted alot of co2 trying to get this right. I have tried shaking the barrel while venting,etc but to no avail.

    Is it just my beer? What do I do...thanks in advance!
     
  2. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    You need to balance your beer using the volumes of CO2 and the temperature. The temperature should be taken with a calibrated thermometer, and the second pour should be immediately poured into the same room temperature glass as the first (chug or dump first pour). I can tell you without even knowing the volumes of Sweetwater that 5 psi is way too low.
     
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  3. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    From a thread in 2010, Sweetwater v/v is 2.47. At 40 degrees that calls for 12 psi. What does the line look like after it has been sitting for a while - air pockets or solid beer?
     
  4. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    What type of thermometer have you guys used in the past? Do you have a link?
    • I'm getting 38/39 degrees on 2nd pour with the thermometer I have
    • I lowered the psi b/c of the foam, I can raise to 12 and try again
    • Yes air pockets in the line after sitting for a while
    • Alot of bubbles straight out of the keg it looks like
    • Alot of bubbles in the line during / after pour
    • I had carbed w/ release valve yesterday and then re-pressurized at about 5psi.
    What should I do next?
    Here is a vid of the first / 2nd pour = http://mrbeers.com/beer/foamy_beer.html
     
  5. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Pockets in the beer line are indicative of breakout because your pressure is too low. Is your thermometer capable of being calibrated? To see if it is accurate put crushed ice in a glass of water and let it sit for a few minutes. Then take the temp of the water without touching the bottom or sides of the glass. Should be 32. If it isn't, you will need to either calibrate it or add/subtract the difference from 32 to your beer temp. I have no idea what "carbed with the release valve" means. Presumably you purged the keg and reapplied pressure? An instant purge really isn't the solution to over carbing if that's the direction you are trying to go.
    You aren't over carbed at 12 anyway so I don't think you need to keep doing things like that. Get an accurate temp, set pressure to 12 for now and leave things alone. A beer system isn't like your car where you can change your speed instantly. It takes time to settle in. Leave it alone for 24 hours and don't open the door.
    There is a very slight chance you could have a bad keg (damaged seal) but that is very rare.
     
  6. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Ok i think you hit the nail on the head...the thermometer I have is off it's reading 41/42 for the glass of cold water so maybe my beer is too cold since it's reading around the same / freezing.

    I let the pressure out ... sorry for the confusion.

    I'm going to put it at 12 and try to find a better thermometer today. Any other thoughts?
     
  7. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Start with the thermometer. Address one thing at a time. If you shake the keg can you hear slush in it?
     
  8. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Thanks Doug! Ok i have a calibrated thermometer reading 35 degrees now. PSI I set to 12. Now wait or increase temp?
     
  9. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    That is a matter of preference....what temp do you want your beer to be? If 35 then leave the thermostat alone. If you want it warmer, then dial it back a bit. Then we adjust pressure to achieve balance at that temperature using the v/v and the chart. At 35 you would want around 9.5 lbs. The rule for pressure and temperature is as the temperature goes down so does the pressure.
     
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  10. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    ok let's leave it at 36...what is the v/v chart supposed to be for this at 6'
     
  11. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    See above. I was editing as you were replying. Set your pressure now and leave it all alone for a day. You can still drink while things are settling in and you should it will get the breakout pockets cleared out of your line.
     
  12. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    While you are drinking and waiting a day you may want to confirm with Sweetwater what the volumes of CO2 is just to make sure. The reference I had was from micromatic's forum and is 4 years old.
     
  13. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Awesome thank you sir...going to try again...i'll come back tomorrow and let you know progress...If it's still foamy might be the sanky coupler. Thank you again!
     
  14. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    ...or it may still be overcarbed. Without manual intervention, this will likely take a few days to settle down. Draw a pint or two every day or so, or burp the keg now and then - both will help reduce excess CO2 (I prefer the former). But don't be in a hurry.
     
  15. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Ok last post for the day...
    • The flow even at 10psi is SUPER slow
    • I can pour about 1/4 of a beer w/ no foam then starts foam directly out of keg
     
  16. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Based on where your temps are you may have some degree of freezing. Shake the keg - do you hear slush in it? As Mike says over carbing will correct and based on your low temps you might have done a little of that. That incorrect thermometer led me to believe it wasn't a possibility, but it is now with this new information.
     
  17. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    ok so just leave it at 9.5 for a day or two
     
  18. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Ok guys...so I just did a pour and got mostly foam. The temp was 35 so i'm going to raise the temp a bit for tonight. Leave the psi at 9/9.5 or so.

    Waiting game now right?
     
  19. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Raising it for tonight won't show results for a day or two. Before you do that, pull another beer. If you haven't since the waiting game started you probably still had pockets of break out in the line from earlier. If you were over carbed before it will take a few days of waiting and drinking or burping (the keg) to balance out. I'd leave the temp alone and keep waiting.
     
  20. gishua

    gishua Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Florida

    Hey Doug, thanks again. I just pulled a beer after leaving the temp alone. The foam is now worse. I have 9.5 psi and the temp of the water in the fridge on the shelf that the keg is sitting on is at 35.5 degrees.

    Any ideas of what i should try next? Raise temp? Raise PSI? Vent keg? Shake keg?

    Looks like it's coming straight out of keg as foam, nothing to do with the tap per say at this point.
     
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