Force carbonating, more prominant than I thought...

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  1. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    I've recently noticed that many craft breweries are force carbonating, or they always have and I just never bothered to notice. It was brought to my attention while volunteering at a canning brewery on the East Coast that force carbs their beers. Then I started looking closely at the beers I was pouring while here in California.

    Lagunitas IPA's...force carbed.
    Pliny...force carbed.
    Various 21st ammendment hoppy offerings...force carbed.
    Obviously IPAs and hop forward styles don't require any yeast character to make them what they are, if anything it's just the opposite. Crisp, clear, and hoppy is the point.

    Is this a new practice or did I just not previously notice? Does anybody care or think it matters?
    For some reason, all these years, I just thought that bottle conditioning was part of being a "craft" brewery.

    From what I can tell, there doesn't appear to be a list of breweries that do bottle/can/keg condition their beers. Would anyone else be curious to see who does and doesn't natural carbonate? I'm considering making a spreadsheet to compare the percentage of craft breweries that do and do not force carb.

    Additionally, what craft canning breweries "can condition", if any? 21st. Ammendment doesn't appear to, Oskar Blues doesn't...just curious.
     
  2. crusian

    crusian Pooh-Bah (1,989) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    Arent they all unless they are bottle conditioned?
    as for the can conditioning, I would think it would be too much of a risk... the cans are too thin.
     
  3. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Force carbing is more prominent because it takes less time to get the beer on the shelf. I have no idea what the percentage is but I would imagine the vast majority of brewers force carbonate, including the hundreds of brewpubs serving from conditioning vessels.
     
  4. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    Oskar blues used to can condition. SNPA cans are also can conditioned.
     
  5. crusian

    crusian Pooh-Bah (1,989) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    I stand corrected, but they are so dialed in, I would assume that places that are not down to a science will not can condition.
     
  6. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    Those are the only two examples I can think of too, don't know of any small breweries conditioning in the can so I'd assume you're right about that.
     
  7. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    Apparently Fat Tire in cans is "can conditioned". I wonder if Torpedo is "can conditioned"...
     
  8. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,233) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    That does not seem to be true. Cans are designed to allow beer to be pasteurized in the can, which generates very high internal pressures. Apparently they can withstand 85-90PSI which is stronger than bottles, and I can see no reason why even highly carbonated beer styles can not be can conditioned.

    http://packaging-technology.org/46-aluminum-cans.html
     
  9. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    Torpedo is not. Just the Pale.
     
  10. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    Don't care for the most part - as long as there is an appropriate amount of carbonation in the beer for the style. The amount of carbonation is where the rub really lays for most people who think they can tell the difference I would imagine.
     
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  11. alexipa

    alexipa Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2011 Colorado

    Force carbing is more consistent. That's the #1 reason most breweries only use this method.
     
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  12. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    There may be more forced carbonation in beer when we expect but undoubtedly things have infinitively improved in this respect compared to 30 years ago. Thank god for the times in which we live.
     
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  13. KellerBrau

    KellerBrau Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2010 Oregon

    From what I know, it's far more difficult to control consistency from batch to batch when bottle/can conditioning. I think you're taking some risk out of it when force carbonating.
     
  14. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Ok. Let's hear it. What's better about bottle conditioning?
     
  15. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    This thread is not complete until someone from Hair of the Dog or Lost Abbey chimes in.
     
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  16. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Was going to say this but didnt have any factual info. My friend once left beer in his car during the summer. The can was burning hot and didnt even explode but was starting to bulge. Yet another reason cans are better.
     
  17. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    Any idea why they bothered to can condition the pale and not torpedo? The main reason I ask is because I noticed a couple of years ago that SNPA was bottle conditioned, despite being one of the beers that I would have for sure thought was force carbed...given the amount that is produced and the size of the brewery. (I.E. the need to pump this stuff out and get it all over the world).
     
  18. tewaris

    tewaris Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Minnesota

    I am fine with force carbing if it means a consistent product that I don't have to gamble on.

    Also, it's not true that a beer has to be bottle conditioned to change in better ways with age. Good thread OP.
     
  19. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    Not sure why Torpedo isn't. Not sure if bottles of Torpedo are either, come to think of it...
    I know that SNPA has been naturally carbonated for what I always assumed was a respect for tradition. Many will say that it actually does produce a slight fruitiness and softer carbonation.
    With a nuetral yeast like Chico, I don't think it would be easy to tell the difference between bottle/can conditioned SNPA and forced SNPA but they keep doing it so I gotta figure they feel there is a significant difference somewhere along the line.
     
  20. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    I think you nailed it. Clearly, they feel it is necessary to continue on with the way they have always produced that beer...
     
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