Forcecarbing an IPA

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  1. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    So I brewed an IPA that I thought was going to be delicious on paper. It was done in 4 days OG 1.61 FG 1.10 I left it in the primary for a total of 15 days and tapped. I forced carbed at a high PSI and tasted a day later - The beer isn't good and I'm hoping it will be by a party on Thursday. Can this beer come together in the next 4 days of will it take some more time to gel? Thanks for any input.

    Edit: The beer isn't fully carbed imo but enough so to make an opinion about the flavor.
     
  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    fwiw, all beers are delicious on paper. otherwise we wouldn't brew it.

    "isn't good" is a bit sketchy though. infected? green?
    though it is possible the beer has not reached got to its optimal vols, this wont fix a bad brew.

    4 days? if it were me, I would keep it cold, 34 degrees. add finings, gelatin if you can, and cross your fingers. still, have a back up plan. no amount of fixing will ever make "isn't good" into a beer you want to own at a party.
    Cheers.
     
  3. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I only mean the beer reached its final gravity after 4 days. It's been over two weeks.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What's wrong with it?
     
  5. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I don't know. It tastes jumbled or muddled I have to try it again at a higher carbonation level.
     
  6. nickfl

    nickfl Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2006 Florida

    Have you brewed an IPA that you liked in the past? How experienced a brewer are you? Just trying to gauge what your opinion is worth re: looks good on paper, I've seen new brewers get really excited about really bad ideas (even been there myself once or twice). If you post the recipe that would be helpful.

    If I had an IPA I wasn't happy with I would hit it with more dry hops and try to hide behind a big hop aroma. That probably isn't going to work in four days though. With that timeframe you can't do much more than cross your fingers and hope it comes around on its own. Trying to force a beer to be ready when it isn't usually doesn't turn out well.
     
  7. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    My beers have been lacking since I went from extract to all grain. I think I need to get a water report to see what the heck is going on. They dont seem to have much flavor, body, aroma.

    My recipe was

    12.5 two row
    .5 honey malt
    .5 malted oats
    .5 table sugar

    .25oz or .5oz magnum @ 60 (can't remember which)
    .5 oz of each (simcoe, apollo, citra, centennial , ahtanum) @ 10 min
    .5 oz of the same as above at flameout
    Dry hopped for 5 days w/ 1.25 oz of simcoe & 1.25 oz of Citra for 6 days

    beer started @ 1.06 and finished 1.01 0r 1.009 ish. about 65% eff. on the mash.

    I haven't done a water analysis but most of what I brew is hop forward and since going to all grain they are just missing something.

    I should note that the beer is getting better by the hour as the aroma is coming out w/ additional carbonation. I think it'll be a good beer, but not great. Thanks for any additional input.
     
  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Also I brewed a couple extract IPAs that were outstanding, not since I went all grain though. They are lacking big time
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say this will be time/money well spent. I think mashing without knowing what's in the water and adjusting accordingly is asking for trouble. Or it's at least asking for blind luck.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I should note that the beer is getting better by the hour ..”

    My recommendation is that you permit the beer to age (or “mellow” if you prefer that word) more. I recognize that it is conventional wisdom that IPAs should be consumed young/fresh. It has been my consistent experience with both my homebrewed IPAs and some commercial IPAs as well that a bit of ‘extra time’ (e.g., 1-2 weeks of ‘extra’ conditioning post packaging) leads to a more enjoyable beer. My theory/guess is that the hop aroma/flavors need some time to ‘meld’ together.

    I would also encourage you to research your water as well.

    Please report back whether some extra time leads to improving flavor of your IPA.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I have found that my hoppy beers take a little time in the keg before the flavor peaks.
     
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  12. nickfl

    nickfl Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2006 Florida

    Seems like a good recipe, so yeah you might want to look at the water. Though in my experience, most water is fine for most styles as long as it is carbon filtered to remove whatever form of chlorine your municipality puts in it.
     
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  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    As others have commented, it takes time for everything to come together. It looks like you are about the 3 week mark . . . way too early to expect great results. My clone of Pliny started out rather poor . . . tasted at dry hop, then racking, and was not pleased. Now it's 5 weeks old the taste is really starting to develop. All it needed was time. You want to drink your IPAs fresh, but fresh starts when the beer has finished conditioning. Every time I taste one before the six week mark I wonder why I bothered.

    Regarding switching to all grain: I suggest you take a hard look at your mash/sparge techniques . . . this is what's new to you. Don't ignore your water analysis, but this is where you can improve efficiency and taste. With some help, I discovered several errors I was making that weren't covered well by Palmer (and others). Things like mash tun design, temp control, and wort collection are key steps. The good news is once you figure it all out, you are pretty much set. This is where I would put my efforts.
     
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  14. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    Maybe it's because you are drinking it on paper. I pour mine into glasses. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  15. WanderingFool

    WanderingFool Pooh-Bah (2,136) Aug 7, 2002 Massachusetts
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    When ever I keg a beer from the primary I always pour off a pint or two before I drink it. A lot of particles and yeast that was suspended in the beer will settle on the bottom and will be the first thing poured out of the keg. I wonder if this is what you tasted.
     
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  16. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Sounds like a classic case of a "problem" that will take care of itself with a little conditioning time. Will it be ready by Thursday? Let's just say I would be sure to have a back-up plan.
     
  17. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    These were some of the answers I was hoping to get. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but won't bank on any miracles by Thursday.
     
  18. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Definitely agree, but I did several pours to make sure I got a good sample.
     
  19. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I didn't even do this much. My goal is to get a water report before I brew again
     
  20. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Post the water report. pH can be a problem for hop flavor if out of range. Flavor ions also help. Try putting a pinch of gypsum in a glass.
     
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