Forgot to add hops :(

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by TooHopTooHandle, Jun 19, 2018.

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  1. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    So this past weekend I just rebrewed my sour ale that I did back in December because it came out so well. I doubled the batch size also. I forgot to put the hops in(only 10 ibu). I didn't realize this until I was going through my container last night that holds some equipment that I bring out to brew day with me like my ph meter, refractometer, lactic acid, and other random brew day stuff. So I went to get out my refractometer and there are the 2oz of hops sitting there still in the package :slight_frown:. So I was talking with a friend who explained to me that I need to get some hops in this beer so it can have a longer shelf life. He stated that with out any hops in it the beer wont store that long. I do plan on keeping some of these in bottle for couple years plus to try them farther down the road. Do I need to add hops to this beer to help shelf life or will the beer be ok? The beer has been fermenting for about 2.5 days now and went from 1.060 down to 1.030 in 48 hours. So if I need to add hops to this what is the best way to go about this. I do not care about adding hops for flavor, but if its needed for shelf life I want to make sure I go about this the best way that I can for the current position I am in with this 10.5 gallons of beer (split 5.25 gallons in 2 fermenters) Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers!
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd just let it go and see how it turns out.

    Hops are in sours to help keep the bacteria under control, so it may sour more quickly than expected, and that in turn will slow down the yeast. Keep an eye on it.

    I know a lot of folks brew Berliner Weiss without hops, but they're a quite bit lower OG and meant to be drank fairly quickly.

    Live and learn, I guess.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  4. Push_the_limits

    Push_the_limits Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2018 Antarctica

    Can you just boil your 2 oz of hops in a small volume of water for your desired time and add in the water when it cools?
     
  5. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Unfortunately it does not work like that. Wort volume plays a factor in hop extraction. So using a small volume will not extract the proper amount needed for this :slight_frown:
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I would let it ride. Your souring bugs will go a long way towards preventing other spoilage organisms. Because souring bugs are not being checked by hops, your beer may be more sour than previous batches. If this is something you want to avoid, I think you could add hops now to slow down the lacto, but I’d prefer to have 2 more oz of hops in my freezer (says the guy with 10+ lbs of hops in his freezer).
     
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  7. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I enjoy really sours beers so this might not be a bad thing and I was aware of the lacto effects being more present with the absence of hops. I was just worried about shelf life. I have been pondering all day and I think I am going to hop 5 gallons of it and leave the other 5 unhopped and see how sour this beer gets with 0 IBU. If it gets too sour I can always blend it with the hopped version. Only thing is I don't know how to go about adding the hops to this beer. Will dry hopping alone be enough to slow the lacto down or will I have to do something else.
     
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  8. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

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  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I don't think so. Lambics are brewed with a buttload of aged hops that are boiled for quite a while. The aging reduces AA contribution and any flavor, but they're there in quantity for anti-microbial purposes (mainly to suppress lacto).

    I think that the damage has been done at this point, and you should see how it rides out.
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    In contrast, I have seen the suggestion made that adding dry hops will slow the souring. It could be heresay. I would imagine the impact is slower because extraction happens more readily in hot water. If THTH does add hops to half, I’d be interested in the results of that experiment
     
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  11. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I am going to come up with some type of scheme soon lol. Either way ill keep you updated on what I do and what the results end up being
     
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  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Dryhopped sours are pretty damned tasty.
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have one on tap. It was a kettle sour, blended, because I wanted to control how sour it got. Someone suggested to me after the fact that I might have used dry hops to exert control. That’s why I’d be interested in the results of a split batch.
     
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  14. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I'll try a good dose of dry hops. I have some azacca, hallertau blanc, el dorado, and huell melon. What should I dry hop 5 gallons of it with and how much should I chuck in?
     
  15. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    What did the grainbill look like and what bugs and yeast did you pitch?
     
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  16. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    Maybe some of the more funk versed brewers can chime in (@EvenMoreJesus ) , but I’d be cautious, in kettle souring some people use dry hops to completely halt lactic acid production before pitching sacch. You don’t want to inhibit all LAB, or you may wind up with a not very sour sour... figuring out exactly how much to add without completely halting souring could quite difficult / a crap shoot
     
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  17. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    9lbs pilsner
    8lbs wheat malt
    3lbs white wheat.
    I don't know the bugs and yeast because these were bottle dregs from a bottle of Barn beer from Planbee. I know it has some sort of lacto and very mild brett in it. I took the dregs and made a 100ml starter and did a multi step up until I reached a 4liter start. I used that 4 liter starter on a 6 gallon batch, then when I racked to secondary I saved the yeast cake with some distilled water in a 64oz mason jar(kept in keezer for 5 months). I made a 4 liter starter from that mason jar and let it ride for 5 days (did not put on a stir plate) then split the starter in 2 and added half(2 liters) to each fermenter (5 gallon each).
     
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  18. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t aged hops used chiefly in spontaneous fermentation processes to reduce unwanted pathogens?

    If you are pitching cultures and/or dregs, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Any pathogenic microflora would not be included in these commercial sources.

    Had you been doing spontaneous fermentation is where I think you would have run the risk. Now you have a culture working, creating alcohol and acidity. I don’t foresee any pathogenic microflora surviving that. I don’t think you will have any problems with long term storage.
     
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  19. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Thank you! I really appreciate that feed back as that was the same thoughts I was having. This is not spontaneously fermented. I do know the yeast that came from the commercial beer was cultured off of honey bees.
     
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm not really sure, but I think I would like 2-3 oz of huell melon or hallertau blanc. Did you get these hops at 47 hops? It looks a lot like my freezer!
     
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