Four Firkins

Discussion in 'Midwest' started by ToadiesForCody, Mar 26, 2014.

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  1. 4four4

    4four4 Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2007 Minnesota

    For all we know they might be putting their own money into it and hoping the general public follows. Brilliant scam.
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  2. MNBeerGeek

    MNBeerGeek Zealot (559) Jun 25, 2013 Minnesota
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    Yeah ditto. This is an absurdity. Not only have they always said they don't hold beer for regulars, he repeated that in his post. So the logic is, we won't hold beer for people that have consistently visited us for years, but if you can slap down a grand then you get beer held for you. Unbelievable. I honestly just thought they were better than this. Super disappointed.
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  3. Ungertaker

    Ungertaker Disciple (341) Apr 30, 2010 Minnesota
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  4. zr580rat

    zr580rat Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2008 Minnesota

    If you were going to contribute money to support the cause, wouldn't it make way more sense for people to just go to the store and spend $50, $300, $1000? At least you'd get a lot of beer and FF gets more money. Sounds like a win / win, or am I being too greedy?
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  5. lurpy1

    lurpy1 Zealot (570) Jan 15, 2010 Minnesota
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    What would happen if someone was moronic enough to call Ale Jail, Heritage, Zipps, whomever, and offer them $1000 for the right to be first in line for 2 beers a year for 10 years? I think those establishments would listen, even if they wouldn't be tacky enough to sell the opportunity. Selling beer's a for-profit venture, after all.
  6. mnbearsfan

    mnbearsfan Aspirant (249) Dec 25, 2009 Minnesota
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    Based on 10 years, $50 twice a year for to opportunity to buy a 4 pack of Black Note, which will cost you $20 bucks minimum? That is $17.50 a bottle. Or $75 bucks for a bottle of Backyard Rye.

    I thought the Upland money grab was bad, but this bay take the cake.
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  7. MNBeer1017

    MNBeer1017 Devotee (488) Mar 27, 2013 Minnesota
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    We have to pay our workers please give us money.

    I want to hear someone justify why they gave money to an established business looking to expand via customer's wallets
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  8. hoeg0015

    hoeg0015 Aspirant (234) Jul 15, 2008 Minnesota

    especially when, in all likelihood, the business to which they're contributing will be located clear across the metro. it just continues to make less and less sense to me. Here are the options I would consider if I felt I needed to expand before the landscape changed:
    1. Cut back hours/benefits of employees
    2. Carry BMC products to increase customer base. Sorry, but that ideology would go before the 'don't ask customers to fund my expansion' ideology in my opinion.
    3. Sell some of the brewerania

    It seems to me it would be VERY easy for FF to offer a party to contributors and bust out a few kegs from the inventory as a thanks. No idea why this wasn't considered, unless there are legal issues.
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  9. RKPStogie

    RKPStogie Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 Minnesota
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    If they open one in Rochester, I may consider it...
  10. HoudiniRN

    HoudiniRN Aspirant (258) Feb 28, 2014 Minnesota
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    I'm a HUGE fan of capitalism...

    I drive 20 minutes to travel to a liquor store... I pass some great Bottle Shops in TC in order to go there. I get great customer service...great recommendations... and my business is valued. That is where my cash will go. I got a feeling this will work itself out. When FF and Total Wine both get their special releases... I have a feeling more and more people will start trickling to stores like Total Wine. Look at what Wal-Mart did to SO many downtown mom and pop shops. People go to the mom and pop shops to spite the big box stores... until the mom and pop store screws you over and doesn't value your business. Then they are NO different then the big box store Except the BB store has more selection, and better prices....

    ALSO - You can get so many good craft beers at ANY liquor store now... the need for a boutique shop is almost not needed anymore. I can understand back in the day when the coolers at most liquor stores were filled with Grain Belt and Bud Light...
  11. mnbearsfan

    mnbearsfan Aspirant (249) Dec 25, 2009 Minnesota
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    If MSP is 3.75 Million people, why don't we have more Craft Beer only stores? Why, FF is a destination, a second store is just a "store". My kids love legos. Once and a while it is fun to go to the MOA, but Target does just fine as long as I pay cash.
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  12. HoudiniRN

    HoudiniRN Aspirant (258) Feb 28, 2014 Minnesota
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    Bring on Binnys!
  13. lonewolfcry

    lonewolfcry Zealot (567) Dec 7, 2007 Minnesota
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    $11,000 in one day?
    Yeah, right....

    It's just a ruse to get people to buy in, and keep up with the Jones's.
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  14. MCImes

    MCImes Disciple (353) Dec 31, 2010 Connecticut

    maybe slightly premature, but with the way this thread is going... In before the Lock!
    #94 MCImes, Mar 28, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2014
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  15. SipIt

    SipIt Aspirant (237) Jul 18, 2013 Minnesota
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    I'm sure there are real investors who would make this happen for them, but they would rather a free handout to keep additional profits for themselves. There is a respectable and responsible way of expanding a business without taking short cuts, this is the opposite. Greed, it's a very powerful desire...
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  16. JMN44

    JMN44 Aspirant (230) Sep 19, 2013 Minnesota
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    Update: the cash grab is now over $14k.

    There are 6 suckers who have paid $1,000 to get twice a year access to rare beer. So if FF gets a case of KBS and each of them wants KBS there would be no KBS for the public (that's assuming FF would allow each of the suckers a 4 pack). FF doesn't state how much rare beer you are allowed to reserve. It would be too funny if each sucker was only allowed 1 or 2 bottles of a rare release.

    Maybe FF gets several cases of each rare release but I think the point of reducing rare releases to the public is the same.
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  17. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,130) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    Even if each sucker is allowed a whole case of a special release, they still have to pay for the actual beer on top of their $1000 donation. It's just insane as to why someone would pay that much money for any beer period. Like someone else said, go spend $1000 on beer at their store. That's a lot of damn beer and you're still helping them out.
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  18. hamham

    hamham Initiate (37) Oct 26, 2011 Minnesota

    maybe they are stockpiling this cash so they can afford to eventually be open on sundays.
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  19. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,130) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    But then they will have to pay even more employees!
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  20. MNBeer1017

    MNBeer1017 Devotee (488) Mar 27, 2013 Minnesota
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    Can I do this to cover day care costs for kid #2?
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  21. Chaz

    Chaz Poo-Bah (1,934) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    Slightly off-topic, but have you seen what Dave went for on the Bay* a few years back? :confused:

    *It was an auction for charity, but still.
    #101 Chaz, Mar 28, 2014
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  22. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,130) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    The problem is that not a single special release beer that you will have reserved for you is anywhere near that rare. You could go to another store and still be able to purchase it.
  23. Stimulus199

    Stimulus199 Initiate (185) Dec 11, 2013 Minnesota
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    Yes. I might recommend putting a $500 tier, where the donor gets to pick the toy your child plays with at day care, but must cover its retail cost. Everybody wins.*

    Everybody = you.
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  24. BeerGoogler

    BeerGoogler Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2014 Minnesota

    For the record, I abhor this entire idea of FF's. Having said that, I do appreciate that they made a business decision to not just pay the bare minimum to their employees, and I understand the affect that can have on profits. People need a living wage, and that idea is worth supporting.

    But the thing I'm most happy about is that I have a hunch this whole debacle will be giving us lulz and in-jokes for months and years to come. So for that, FF, we thank you!
  25. SipIt

    SipIt Aspirant (237) Jul 18, 2013 Minnesota
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  26. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Defender (609) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota
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    That is quite the understatement.
  27. dstavig

    dstavig Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2008 Minnesota

    Yeah, FF is screwed. These BA threads carry so much weight in the industry and general public.
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  28. mnbearsfan

    mnbearsfan Aspirant (249) Dec 25, 2009 Minnesota
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    Congrats on your first post! I remember my first one...
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  29. McRyan

    McRyan Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2012 Minnesota

  30. mnbearsfan

    mnbearsfan Aspirant (249) Dec 25, 2009 Minnesota
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    Look at the first post he/she made....

    It was today. Congrats on Homerism
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  31. HoudiniRN

    HoudiniRN Aspirant (258) Feb 28, 2014 Minnesota
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    EXACTLY. If you do the math - There are "40" rare beer holds for sale. No one should expect to find anything "rare"... They've essentially pre sold everything.
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  32. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,130) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    You used to work at FF so I'm sure this statement is completely unbiased, right? :rolling_eyes:

    Word of mouth is a very powerful tool. They will lose business from this I'm sure.
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  33. GottaHaveMyHops

    GottaHaveMyHops Initiate (139) Mar 14, 2013 Minnesota
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    I don't get why someone would want to pay $5000 to ask for entrepreneurial advice from someone who uses indiegogo (or any like websites) to start a business and has no degree/certification/extensive background in teaching such matters.

    However ridiculous though, it seems like people continue to contribute.. Me thinks I should start one to fund my beer purchases......

    $10 - You get to have a conversation with me about beer
    $50 - We create a special beer handshake that only we know and make everyone else feel left out
    $100 - I'll go to Ace Hardware and get your name etched on a plaque
    $500 - We'll go tour Surly Brewing, have a beer, and I'll take you out to dinner
    $1000 - You get to pick any beer from my collection, and will get to do this once a year for life
    $5000 - I'll consult you on how to invest in your future by opening a Roth IRA
    $10000 - You must really love me! Just give me the money and then call sometime and ask for a favor, as long as it's not illegal or involves sexual acts (This may include such things as paying your bail for a minor offense, driving you to your grandmothers, fixing that noisy refrigerator, or taking car of your dog for a week)

    All who would like to contribute just message me
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  34. mjryan

    mjryan Zealot (581) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota

    Or they could use a crowd funding site and not have to take on investors.
  35. HoudiniRN

    HoudiniRN Aspirant (258) Feb 28, 2014 Minnesota
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    This would be great on Shark Tank...

    "I'm asking for $50,000, for a 0% equity share in my company"
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  36. Ungertaker

    Ungertaker Disciple (341) Apr 30, 2010 Minnesota
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    Your sarcasm is thinly-veiled, nice job on that. We all now know that there is at least one person who read the threads for over five years without ever posting a response until this came up. Those of us who reply here generally have lives outside of here, too. We influence our friends, who speak to their friends, etc. Word of mouth is a powerful thing. Negative exposure never helps anyone. Three of my craft beer-loving, non-BA friends (who used to frequent the Firkins) have vowed not to shop at FF after we discussed this very topic. I didn't try to convince to do so, it just happened. How many others do you think are out there who have experienced the same?
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  37. olympuszymurgus

    olympuszymurgus Zealot (582) Nov 24, 2009 California
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    Get off your high horse. I've seen you say similar shit on BA about a dozen breweries and stores and bars over the last few years. Chill out and don't donate if you don't want to.
  38. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,694) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    I happen to like it on my high horse & if Your Highness doesn't mind, I'll spend my money at breweries & stores that I enjoy. Though I can understand why you quoted my post, since I'm the only human being in the Twin Cities annoyed by this nonsense.
  39. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Defender (609) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota
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    Just curious, but why are you commenting here?
  40. olympuszymurgus

    olympuszymurgus Zealot (582) Nov 24, 2009 California
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    Because somebody on the Internet is wrong?

    I've been around the MSP beer scene a few times, met a few folks, had a few beers, shared a few bottles.
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