Friendly suggestions on hopping schedule for IPA

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  1. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I will be brewing an IPA sometime next month and have these hops on hand (nugget, columbus, cascade). I have nearly 1lb of each so before you jump in, I will only be using these hops although I would consider willamette as I also have plenty of these on hand as well. Here is what I have in mind (10 gallon batch).

    1.5 oz nugget (60 min)
    1.0 oz columbus (15 min)
    1.0 oz cascade (15 min)
    1.0 oz columbus (10 min)
    1.0 oz cascade (10 min)
    1.0 oz columbus (5 min)
    2.0 oz cascade (5 min)
    1.0 oz nugget (5 min)
    1.0 each of columbus, cascade, and nugget at flameout
    Dry hop in each 5 gallon fermenter (1.5 oz cascade, 0.5 oz columbus, 1.0 oz nugget)

    I'm set on the grain bill as I have used it on many other IPAs (Golden Promise 77%, Munich malt 20%, carapils 3%), mash 151F, OG 1.062. Calculated IBU is 73 with the above schedule. Will probably use a WLP007 or WLP005.
     
  2. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    It sounds and looks like a very tasty, hoppy IPA to me. I had a couple thoughts, based solely on personal preference...

    I might combine your 15 with your 10 or your 5 min and flameout additions just to simplify it a bit (e.g. 60 min, 10 min, FO or 60 min, 15 min, FO).

    I tend to detect a lot of unpleasant spice from cascade when I use it as dry hop, but when I use it late in the boil I get a nice grapefruit flavor, with minimal spice. Depending on what you want from Cascade, you could move it around and replace with Columbus or Nugget.

    I like the idea of using WLP007 since it keeps the beer a bit on the dry side, and drops clear very quickly, with minimal esters to get in the way of your hops and malt bill.
     
  3. nlthompson2

    nlthompson2 Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2010 Indiana

    I only make unfriendly suggestions......

    But seriously, the hop schedule looks fine, confusing (coming from a guy who just made a single hop IPA), but fine. If you are fermenting in 2 different 5 gallon fermenters, I would recommend dry hopping with different amounts and/or kinds of hops so you can really evaluate the effectiveness and aroma of your choices and maybe find something that works better than something else. But that's just me.
     
  4. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I'm splitting the batch with my brewing buddy so unfortunately I don't have that option. Otherwise I would do that.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I would like to ‘second’ that this recipe “sounds and looks like a very tasty, hoppy IPA to me.”

    I don’t have any personal experience with using Columbus or Nugget hops so I really can’t provide good comments relative to the hopping schedule.

    I would strongly suggest that you use WLP007 vs. WLP005. I have never homebrewed using the Ringwood yeast (WLP005) but I have never enjoyed the commercial beers that have been brewed with this yeast. Too much diacetyl is produced by this yeast strain for my taste. Although I suppose you could conduct a diacetyl rest? Nah, just use WLP007.

    Good luck with your tasty IPA!

    Cheers!
     
  6. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I've used both of these yeasts before both in english pales and american IPAs with success. I've never had diacetyl with WLP005 but maybe I was lucky. Honestly, I will use whichever my homebrew shop has and whichever is freshest. That being said, I'd prefer WLP007.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    “I've never had diacetyl with WLP005 but maybe I was lucky.”

    It is also possible that you don’t personally perceive diacetyl at a given level. I personally am ‘cursed’ that I can taste diacetyl at very low thresholds. If you aren’t sensitive to diacetyl then maybe WLP005 would be OK for you.

    From http://www.brewingtechniques.com/library/backissues/issue5.6/bickham.html

    “A sizable percentage of the population cannot detect compounds such as diacetyl and methyl mercaptan in any concentration.”

    Another interesting (to me) quote from the BT article is:

    “Furthermore, the perception skills of females are generally regarded to be superior to those of males.”

    By wife rubs this in my face all the time!:slight_frown:

    Cheers!
     
  8. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I don't doubt that. That goes for a lot of tastes/smells. I can definitely detect diacetyl as I had a lager last yer (Dortmund Export) that I could smell and taste it even though others could not.
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Everyone has different thresholds for flavor and aroma compounds. Some are blind to certain compounds. When a brewery has a tasting panel they have several people evaluating the beer. When homebrew is evaluated in a competition there will be more than one judge (2 is usual due to the number of available judges).
     
  10. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    :slight_smile: I agree with these statements most so far.:slight_smile: This is what I came here to say.:grinning:


    :slight_smile: Other than that, I would make a :grinning: friendly suggestion :slight_smile: to add more dryhops...:grinning: about 2 to 3 oz. more should do it. :slight_smile: ...maybe try adding some more Columbus and Willamette, especially since you have a pound of each on hand. :slight_smile:

    ...:slight_smile: Am I being jovial and agreeable enough?:slight_smile:...Oh, life is so grand. :grinning:

    PS: :grinning: Is this a 12 gallon boil? :slight_smile: Can you describe what you get from the GP, Munich, Carapils combo? :slight_smile: Sounds interesting, I might try it. :grinning:

    Sincerely yours,
    :slight_smile: Mr. Nice Guy :slight_smile:
     
  11. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    It is a 12ish gallon boil (although we usually boil more to account for deadspace in the blichmann kettle and march pump/therminator).

    My personal preference is for some malt to come through in an IPA (not sweetness but malt flavors/aroma). I find using a British malt (ie GP) over American or Canadian 2-row contributes more malt flavor/aroma. As for Munich, it adds a touch of color and also some more malty goodness. Try it you might like it. Although it seems you prefer your IPAs to have the hops dominate over everything else :slight_smile:
     
  12. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    :slight_smile: I actually agree about using British malt in general :slight_smile: ...and having been doing such for most of my IPAs. Homebrew42 can affirm. :grinning:

    :slight_smile: Well, technically good sir, an IPA is supposed to be hop dominant. :grinning: A pale ale however should have more of that hop/malt balance.:grinning: Nevertheless, I usually pack quite a decent amount of malt flavor into my IPAs, but they are dry, tasty, and aromatic without being overly bitter and off-putting.:slight_smile: I "personally" think that too much sweetness and caramel flavors in an IPA can be just as off-putting as using a boatload of hops incorrectly. I feel that it detracts from the hop focus in a hop-focused style of beer. But that's just me, hehehehe.:grinning:

    :grinning: Cheers, God Bless, Toodles:slight_smile:
    :grinning: Mr. Nice Guy:slight_smile:
     
  13. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Semantics question.... I was under the impression Golden Promise is Scottish, and is the Scottish equivalent/version of Marris Otter, however it looks like its made by Simpson's which is English... so is the malt technically Scottish or English?

    I'm a big fan of Surly beers, and they use Golden Promise in Abrasive and Furious, which is now making me want to try your grain bill out!
     
  14. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    GP is Scottish. But many maltsters produce it of which many are not in Scotland.
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Simpsons is just south of the England Scotland border. About as far north as you can get in England, so the barley does not go far to be malted.
     
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