From store to cellar (initial temperature swings)

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by jonheather2010, Nov 17, 2014.

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  1. jonheather2010

    jonheather2010 Initiate (0) May 27, 2014 New Jersey

    Hello all,

    First forum post here on BA. Thanks to everyone that makes this community great and floods these forums with knowledge and experiences. I couldn't find a thread that touched on this very particular topic so here it goes.

    I am slowly building up my cellar and have been reading up on optimal cellar conditions. The following seems to be widely accepted in regards to cellar temperature based on my reading of various threads of this forum and the "Vintage Beer" book:

    - 55F +/- 5 is optimal
    - Temp consistency is very important
    - Small temp swings that occur over long periods of time (i.e. +/- 5 degrees from summer to winter) are ok
    - Large temperature swings (15+ degrees) over short and/or long periods of time can have adverse affects on a beer

    With that knowledge, is there any concern out there that at some point the storage conditions of the beer we buy to cellar are often different than the optimal conditions? Whether it be a delivery truck, plane, warehouse, or liquor store shelf, there is no way those tight conditions will be met throughout the journey of a beer from brewery to cellar. For example, I just purchased some beer I intend to cellar from an online vendor that said their beer is kept at 40F. That beer will obviously experience a "large" temperature swing over a short period of time once it gets into my 55F cellar. If it doesn't experience any further swings is that alright?

    My intention isn't to start a super anal thread, just wondering if anyone else has thought about the same thing and what the consensus is on this.
     
  2. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Mostly doesn't matter. I don't think anyone on here can taste the difference between a beer not exposed to temperature swings in the warehouse, truck, etc, and one that has.

    Doing this over and over on a larger scale, like over a period of years for beers you are cellaring, may make a bigger difference, but it takes a bit for it to add up.

    There's an interesting thread that was on here recently about someone doing a side-by-side between two of the same beers being cellared - with one of the beers being swirled on a weekly basis, and the other being stored untouched and upright. Worth checking out.
     
  3. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,123) Oct 20, 2006 California

    From what I have experienced and been told, the number value of a temperature swing is not nearly as important as ensuring that you don't exceed high or low thresholds. Taking a beer out of the fridge (say 38 degrees), letting it get to room temp (say 68 degrees), and then putting it back, is a swing of 30 degrees two times in a row, but that will have no negative (at least noticeable) effect on your beer. On the other hand, letting a beer sit for any decent period of time above, say, 70, or below 30ish will have a negative effect, even if it only went down 10 degrees from being in your fridge to a freezer, or from your cellar to a hot room.
     
  4. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    You're definitely over thinking it. Too high or too low temperature are the only thing to worry about in those regards. Beer has been transported for hundreds of years and rarely has gone bad from it.
     
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  5. jonheather2010

    jonheather2010 Initiate (0) May 27, 2014 New Jersey

    @AndrewK @tkdchampxi Thanks for your feedback.

    @RDMII I figured as much, just wanted to hear others who are more experienced in cellaring tell me so :wink:.
     
  6. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    I have yet to see any difinitive evidence that temperature swings are as serious as people make them out to be.

    I actually think that this is a hold-over from corked wine, where large temperature swings can affect the product in bad ways due to the expansion and shrinkage of the cork.
     
  7. dcbullet

    dcbullet Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2013 California

    Even with wine, I see people obsessed with the temperature changes for relatively short periods of time but then I point to a flat bed truck in Napa with 4 pallets of Silver Oak driving down the road in summer.
     
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  8. mlhyatt

    mlhyatt Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 Georgia

    As long as it isn't sitting in the sun for long periods of time its fine. That goes for cellaring as well.
     
  9. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    It's just beer man. Buy it, store it, drink it. Beer can tolerate temperature swings from 33-80ish , keep it in the dark. Put it in a cool basement, or in a pinch, your guest room closet if you keep the a/c cool in the house. I keep our house at ~70 year round, and when I had a basement it went from 35-50. I assure you, any flavor fluctuation directly caused by temperature is not perceptible by any normal palette.
     
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  10. mdomask

    mdomask Initiate (0) May 27, 2012 Illinois

    "Temperature swings" are more cellaring voodoo. The beer went through much larger, faster swings over the packaging/distribution cycle. Protect it from sunlight and you should be all good.
     
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  11. bozodogbreath

    bozodogbreath Savant (1,128) Oct 19, 2006 Indiana
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    I think it is far more important for bottled beer to avoid being "light struck."
     
  12. CaptainBoosh

    CaptainBoosh Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2014 Nevada

    I was just wondering this same thing, thanks for posting.
     
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