Fruit Additions

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by BenOdeski, Aug 12, 2015.

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  1. BenOdeski

    BenOdeski Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2014 Texas

    Anyone know how the flavors of fruit additions change if they are added to the boil, or to primary instead of dry hopping in secondary?
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Don't boil fruit if you are looking for flavor.
     
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  3. BenOdeski

    BenOdeski Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2014 Texas

    Makes sense, do you know how the flavor would be different between primary and secondary?
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    All else equal ... fruit additions are best made in the 2ndary fermentor.
     
  5. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Yeah, cooking the fruit will most likely, unsuprisingly, lead to a cooked fruit flavour in the end product...

    You'll get the most 'fruity' flavours, and those closest to the original fruit by doing an addition post fermentation. Adding the fruit at the start of fermentation can give some interesting and different flavours, but will be more subtle and not always better / what you are looking for.
     
  6. BenOdeski

    BenOdeski Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2014 Texas

    Hey thanks. I am actually looking for subtle flavors instead of an upfront obvious flavor.
     
  7. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    If you put the fruit in primary there is a better chance the yeast will ferment out some of the aromas you're looking for and there is a higher chance of infection. I always put fruit in secondary, but I also only use it for sours.
     
  8. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    If that's what you're looking for, with time you'll have subtle flavor because fruit fades just like dry hops.

    What kind of beer are you going to use the fruit in?
     
  9. BenOdeski

    BenOdeski Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2014 Texas

    I have only used fruit once and it is sitting in a sour right now.

    I am going to try a Peach&Mango IIPA. But I want the fruit to blend in and not dominate like Grapefruit Sculpin.
     
  10. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I would still do secondary for the fruit addition, but I would just not use a ton of the fruit. For grapefruit sculpin they add grapefruit zest and use grapefruit forward hops. I would go along that line and use hops that complement those two flavors. You're probably not going to get a lot of peach because it's pretty delicate.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'm not so sure that zest is all they use from the grapefruit. AFAIK, they've never actually come out and said that, leaving us to speculate. This was discussed a little bit in this thread.
     
  12. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    That's what Yuseff told me they did. They dry hop with zest and choose grapefruit flavor forward hops like cascade. I asked him about using juice and he said they didn't use the juice
     
  13. BenOdeski

    BenOdeski Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2014 Texas

    as of now the plan is to use 3 lbs of fruit, which I believe is pretty light. I am still deciding when to add it, I am leaning towards half in primary half in secondary. And also yes I plan on using hops to compliment peach and mango. I have an idea of which hops to use, but you have any opinion on that too? Any input is appreciated.
     
  14. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    Citra can be pretty peachy. Galaxy could also be a good choice. If you can find it I would recommend using Trois for fermentation due to its production of fruity esters.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Cool. You're the first person (non article-writer) I've seen to have claimed info straight from the brewer. Did he happen to mention what their proprietary process is?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/recipes/ct-0401-beer-o-month-20150330-story.html
    "The brewery won't say exactly how the grapefruit flavor is added — it's "a proprietary process that uses grapefruits purchased from Florida" — but does say it is added as a final step in making the beer."

    I suppose the article could have got the quote wrong. But if not, how is adding grapefruit zest a proprietary process, I wonder.
     
  16. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    Not really. I just asked for some suggestions and told him some of my ideas. Then he told me what they do. I think a lot of it has to do with the base beer. I some what doubt that the base is sculpin with grapefruit added.

    Edit: I'll look at my email and see what he said specifically.
     
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