Fruited IPA situation...

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  1. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I apologize if this is yet another redundant thread, but it's been an increasingly controversial topic for myself and other beer lovers.

    At first in my journey, I would be unhesitatingly enthusiastic about enjoying an IPA conditioned with any number of fruits. Grapefruit Sculpin? Hell yeah I'll pick it up!

    However, it seems like a mastubatory, overinflated style within the past year or so. It almost seems like every brewery has at LEAST one now. After tasting so many of them, I beg the question, "is it even necessary?"

    I mean, most hops already impart an enormous amount of fruity, juicy flavor. Does that really need to be complimented by actual fruit?

    To some, fruity is a desireable flavor. I understand that. But, to me, it's a bit unnecessary, and also being a difficult brew to create a balanced flavor while still showcasing the fruit.

    Are you a fan? Yay or nay?
     
  2. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    I like Grapefruit Sculpin as much as the next guy, but in most cases I find augmented IPA's to be overly sweet....almost syrupy or artificial tasting.

    There are so many good dry hopped beers readily available....I'll stick with those.
     
  3. spaceman24

    spaceman24 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2008 Texas

    I haven't been overly impressed by any that I've tried. I want to like them because I tend to like a more citrusy flavor from IPAs than piney/bitter, but at this point I would be okay with the fad passing by.
     
  4. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    I dont think every time you see "Grapefruit"(Or insert your fruit) IPA they are using actual grapefruits and squeezing them into the brew tanks. Although in some case that may be the case. Sometimes alternative methods are use to impart similar characteristics to a beer. For example sometimes "Liquid Smoke" is added to a beer to add a smokiness to the it. Or "Oak Spirals" added to a beer to impart a barrel aging character which then allows the brewer to use the term "Oak aged" slightly out of context. I think the same happens with some Fruit Infused IPAs, maybe this will help explain the term "brewed with Natural Flavors" that is common on these kind of IPAs. Exposing certain flavor profiles and characteristics of hops is a much as an art as it is a science and not everyone can do it, so sometimes they "need" some fruit to help them out. Just my two cents.
     
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  5. edward_boumil

    edward_boumil Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2015 New York

    Personally it feels rather cheap to me, for the exact reason you mention. With hops being able to generate so many fruity flavors if brewed properly, the only reason to actually add fruit would seem to bypass actual skillful brewing.

    Would much prefer a well brewed citra hop beer than a beer with citrus fruit added to it, or a well hopped galaxy IPA than one with mango added, ect.
     
  6. SLewis

    SLewis Pundit (901) Jun 17, 2014 North Carolina

    Stone's Tangerine Enjoy By has been my favorite one out what I've had as the fruit wasn't overpowering and complemented the base beer.

    Most others I pass on without hesitation.
     
  7. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Strangely, I have been appreciating fruited beers more and more -- except for IPAs. Witbier, saisons, lambics, gose, etc., can all be amazing with fruit, but with IPAs, with a few exceptions, I prefer all the fruity flavors to come from the hops alone.
     
  8. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    I actually wrote this while sipping on the latest batch! Enjoy By is such an acclaimed, respected brew by itself, but I think this time around the tangerine seems to be a little too much. The original recipe has it down perfectly. I would be happy with just the original, unfiltered, and black IPA variations.
     
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  9. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    Absolutely agreed. We don't know the exact method (unless specified) of added fruit or "fruit flavor". Or even what is constituted as "fruit flavor". A shandy is one thing, but an IPA much different. If one wishes to add fruit flavors, the hops must be toned down as to complement and adhere to a ratio so that neither is overpowering another. You're correct in that not everyone can do it. All In all, the style doesn't give enough credit to the beautiful, hearty, and expansive plant that hops are. I think grapefruit is the most complementary fruit for IPAs, but anything else seems grandiose.
     
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  10. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    It's difficult for me to explain, but I think this is because, when one truly craves an IPA, it's the hops he or she craves, and the fact that they resemble fruit is a (hyped) hindsight observation. So that when fruit is added to an IPA, the fruit adjunct becomes the focal point of the beer, and the flavor profile becomes closer to a shandy, so that what was craved about the IPA to begin with--the hops--is overshadowed. Fruited IPAs are trying to play on the faux-fruit aspects of hops, but in doing so detract from the appeal that makes "fruity" IPAs appealing in the first place.
     
  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    You can always see trends and other brewers who appreciate a new thing and then do it themselves. This year there was blood orange in the hefe, lots of IPA's that added fruit zest, beer that added teas, and coffee has found its way into the lager. That one was like watching a pinball go from california and ballast points cream ale with coffee over to sixpoint and saranac who both now have lagers with coffee. I don't mind unless that's all there is. Let's see everyone who made the cream ale with coffee now make a plain ordinary one. =)
     
  12. teromous

    teromous Grand Pooh-Bah (3,180) Mar 21, 2010 Virginia
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    Fruit in beer is nothing new, so I really wouldn't call it a trend. I would say that because craft beer drinkers have developed a craving for "variants" and "ticking" that it has created an environment suitable for brewers to add a little bit of this or that to a beer to change it slightly to appeal to the collective or addictive personalities that people have.

    I wouldn't say I'm for or against fruit in beer as a general rule. Some beers just do well with fruit and others don't so it really depends on the end product. I think a lot of brewers are just doing with fruit what they would do with any other ingredient, which is to put it out there and see if people like it. Generally I have noticed that the fruit beers I like the most are the ones that are "stand alone" and not ones that just had fruit added to an already existing recipe. While I can't know how these breweries operate I wonder if it is because those "stand alone" beers had the recipe formulated with the fruit in mind instead of added as an afterthought.
     
  13. twistwrist

    twistwrist Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2013 Georgia

    In hot and humid Georgia summers, I kinda dig the fruit additions for refreshment value.
    My favorite "fruit" beer styles are the small-batch foeder sours brewed by Southern Brewing Company with additions such as blackberry/raspberry, strawberry, peach, etc. The "Strawberry Cecil" was aged using 90 pounds of berries. Mmmm!
    Fruit = summer, and after spending 11 years teaching elementary school, anything related to summer makes me smile...including fruity brews.
     
  14. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
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    I haven't had too many I suppose, but I enjoy the grapefruit variations.

    That said, after having Watermelon Dorado I have to say; please don't do this. Ever.
     
  15. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I'm nonplussed by the whole thing. This morning I posted about New Belgium Citradelic which I like, but I like it because it's well made and tastes good. I would like it just as well if it wasn't an IPA. I see these fruit beers as a trend that will run until another trend comes along.
     
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  16. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I think it's gone a bit overboard. But that's fine. The American ipa is a big canvas and why not?
     
  17. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Blood orange, tangerine, grapefruit, mango, pineapple, watermelon - I'm all in if they're well made. That includes Watermelon Dorado.
     
  18. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    I love fruit in beers, if it's done well. To each their own. That's why we have so many different types and styles of beer - everyone likes different things.
     
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  19. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I would go further and say that for many fruit-IPAs the added fruit dilutes the hoppy character of the IPA that I like, not compliment it. Particularly for brewers that use real fruit juice, rather than fruit essences.

    Nay.

    Although, I agree with @HorseheadsHopHead that I don't mind fruit additions in many other beer styles, just not in my IPAs.

    FYI, this thread had some interesting technical information about brewing with fruit with input from pro and home brewers in case anyone is interested: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/beer-and-fructose.391071/#post-4556261
     
  20. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    So far I haven't found watermelon, or any melon for that matter, to work well in beer. Peach, cherry and some of the red berries do seem to work though.
     
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