Funky Buddha Last Snow Clone Recipe Help

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  1. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    After milking some details out of a couple buddha employees I'm thinking I might be onto something with this (extract) recipe. Looking to see if you guys have any input (although it's already fermenting so at this point I'm mostly looking for advice on how to do the coconut/coffee). It's my first attempt so after it's done I'll update this with findings.

    Name: Last Snow Porter Clone
    Style: Sweet Stout
    Brew Method: Extract
    Batch Size: 5 gal Boil Size: 3.5 gal OG: 1.070 FG: 1.018 SRM: 42 IBU: 32

    Fermentables
    8.00 lb Pilsen Light DME
    1.00 lb Chocolate Malt
    0.50 lb Roasted Barley
    0.25 lb Black malt
    0.25 lb Caramel malt

    Boil Additions
    3.00 oz Willamette
    0.75 lb Lactose

    Yeast
    Safale US-05

    Notes / Brew Schedule
    Steep grains for 30 minutes @160 degrees.
    2.00 oz Willamette @ 60 min
    2.00 lb Pilsen DME @ 60 min
    6.00 lb Pilsen DME @ 15 min
    0.75 lb Lactose @ 10 min
    1 oz Willamette @ 5 min

    Secondary:
    2.00 lb Toasted Coconut
    4.00 oz Cacao Nibs
    8.00??? oz cold brewed coffee

    Would appreciate any input. I have heard in addition to the real coconut they use a certain coconut extract so I'm not sure how close this is going to be. Might try to find a random one and use it at bottling depending on how much the coconut is pronounced. I know some people have issues with coconut and head retention. We'll see.

    Recipe here:
    http://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/lord-snow-porter
     
  2. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    BTW, if you haven't had it, it's a white chocolate coconut coffee caramel porter. Tastes like a Mounds chocolate bar.
     
  3. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    The problem (and what makes Last Snow so good) is going to be getting that intense, sweet coconut flavor. Are you sure they use an extract?

    I'd mash high to get as much sweetness as possible.

    When it comes to how much coffee and coconut, at bottling I'd do different mixtures to get the right ratio then scale that up to the whole batch. Good luck, if you get anything close, I'll brew it too, this beer is so good.
     
  4. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    According to one of the brewers, they use real coconut And a specific extract to achieve the right flavor. Wouldn't tell me which though.
     
  5. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    I would suggest maybe switching up the yeast. US-05 might leave it a little thin. I have had good luck with Scottish ale 1728. If you want to go with dry yeast Nottingham might work but I personally have not used it. With all of that said I have not used lactose so I do not know how much body that will add. I would like to hear how it turns out. If you don't mind please post an update or BM me when finished. It was probably my favorite porter at GABF this year.
     
  6. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    ^^ It's already been fermenting for a week, but based on how much body it has this could be an easy change for next time. Hopefully the lactose and coconut will add a little body. Anyone worked with coconut before? How much beer can I expect to lose from being absorbed by 2 lbs of coconut?

    Will def update this as I go.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As a FYI, Nottingham is a high attenuation yeast (comparable to US-05). As an example, I recently bottled a Northern English Brown Ale using Nottingham. The OG = 1.051 and FG = 1.010; Apparent Attenuation of 80%.

    To the OP, if you want to use a low/moderate attenuation dry yeast, use Danstar Windsor.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    Thanks for the correction. Sorry for the bad info OP.
     
  9. LordofTime25

    LordofTime25 Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2008 Iowa

    Any update on this brew pieman396?
     
  10. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Turned out really solid. All of my friends say it's the best beer I've done yet. After a few months, I did start to get a slight metallic taste which could probably be attributed to a few things more related to my brewing technique than the recipe. On a second batch I would probably go with slightly more coconut OR a little bit of malibu in the secondary. Maybe an extra 0.5lb or so. And a little bit more cold brewed coffee, maybe 2 cups. I don't brew enough to compare coconut extracts and ratios to make it tastes exactly like Last Snow, but it's a damn good coconut/coffee/chocolate porter! Cheers!
     
  11. pieman396

    pieman396 Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Also...had no issue with head retention from the coconut oils but I did need to strain it a little better, each bottle had a little bit of coconut sediment that would float to the top.

    Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
     
  12. Evan

    Evan Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2012 Maryland

    Ha, funny you say that. The only time I had Last Snow was with my Brother and, after the first sip, we simultaneously said, "It tastes like there's Malibu in here."

    You may also try adding coconut to the mash or boil. I added it to both (3/4 lb each time) on a Bourbon Barrel Coconut Stout and got a pretty strong coconut flavor without any coconut in the secondary. Though, if I were to brew it again I would probably toss another 3/4 lb in secondary. I got the idea from Garrett from Maui Brewing. Their Coconut Porter has one of the strongest coconut flavors I've experienced and he said they add coconut during all 3 stages of the brewing process.
     
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