Gelatin use question

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  1. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Ive been reading about the use of gelatin to get a more clear beer and the methods i found are pretty similar, but one thing that im not sure about, specially for me because i do bottle conditioning and no keg+co2, is when you dissolve the gelatin in the hot water, 150 155F, then you just pitch the solution into the fermenter? Isnt that temp too high for my yeast? Fermentation is over but i need that yeast for bottle conditioning.
    I have 0 exp using gelatin so thats why im asking.

    Cheers.
     
  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Typically you are adding gelatin to only about 4-6 ounces of water (I take mine up to 170'ish) and it's all right to let it cool some. Adding that small quantity to a 5 gal batch will not adversely affect the yeast's health. To bottle carb it's recommended to have a yeast density of at least 1 million cells per ml. A density at this level will appear to be crystal clear, normally new beer will have yeast in suspension well above what's needed. In summary; it's not a problem.

    I do find gelatin for clearing works best at lower temps (40 or below). Also, extended time after bottling helps in clearing (with or without gelatin). Here's a pretty good primer on the subject:
    https://blog.kegoutlet.com/how-to-use-gelatin-to-clarify-your-beer/
     
  3. Arturo2

    Arturo2 Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2019 Oregon

    Definitely won’t kill your yeast.
    I do find that gelatin clears better if the ale is cold.
    50° will do it. Lower is better. It may work at room temp but I don’t know for sure as I crash my fermenter every batch.

    Cold crashing alone will also clear your ale.
    With US05/WLP001 I get very clear beers just using whirlfloc in the kettle and cold crashing in the fermenter after fermentation stops.
    Other yeasts I’ll use the gelatin.
     
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  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I'll echo the above, drop the beer cold, add the gelatin, keep cold for another couple days, then rack to your bottling bucket.
     
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  5. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Thanks for your replies, im as clear as my next beer should be . Unless i make a witbier then it will be the beer after that one
     
  6. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Do you stir after adding the gelatin?
     
  7. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    Nope just drop it in there and it will do the work
     
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  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I don't stir, I typically hook the CO2 up to the liquid out and force a bunch of bubbles into it from the bottom agitating to mix, then leave it.
     
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  9. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Depends on yeast too.
    I made an ESB type beer a while ago with WY1318 that never cleared. I added x2 doses of gelatin as described in this thread to cold keg of beer on tap, shook, let sit cold for weeks, never settled. I was content to drink semi-cloudy ESB, tasted great just wasn’t pretty.
     
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  10. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Does your gas in disconnect fit the liquid out post? I don't think mine does. Or do you physically change the disconnects?
     
  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    My method (after Terry Foster - formerly BYO fame; well-known author on brewing)
    Batch size: 2.5G

    At start of bottling day ...
    1. Sprinkle 1/2 tsp atop 50 ml tap water
    2. Rest a few minutes to allow gelatin to 'bloom'
    3. Nuke on HIGH 20 seconds
    4. Rest a few minutes on counter-top to cool then pitch into botting bucket prior to racking beer from fermentor.
     
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  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Sometimes I switch them out... other times I force it on far enough to get the gas flowing and then spend the next minute trying to get it off :grin::rolling_eyes::stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  13. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Mmmm direct premeditated oxidation... I love it.:stuck_out_tongue:
     
  14. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    What is your method for getting clear beer. Thanks
     
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  15. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Process Process Process!
     
  16. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    That's friggin' awesome.
    .....gonna try that for my next brewing/fermenting/packaging sessions.
     
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I could be wrong, but I think @TheBeerery would list a thorough vorlauf and keeping kettle trub out of the fermenter as keys.
     
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  18. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    So you don't drop your beer cold before bottling? How long (if at all) do you let it rest after adding the gelatin to the bottling bucket and racking from the fermentor?
     
    #19 riptorn, Feb 19, 2019
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  19. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    can you use any unflavored gelatin for this? because i can find some of that in the supermarket or do i have to buy a specific gelatin for homebrew?
     
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