Going back to extract (for a bit)

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  1. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I've probably done 25+ all grain batches, but I'm going back to extract because it takes a lot less time, I have two small children and the difference is negible (IMO). Anybody else out there flipflopping? Were you pleasantly surprised when you went back ? Disappointed? I remember my extract brews being pretty solid, tougher to mess them up...

    Thanks,
     
  2. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Why not try BIAB? It takes 1-2 hours off my usual all-grain brew day. You could also mash in the evening, leave the wort over night and boil in the AM while fixing the kids breakfast/letting your wife sleep. Win/win.
     
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  3. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I've been thinking about this. I don't have a good way of keeping temps stable though.
     
  4. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    I think you can do a lot with just extract/steeping grains these days. The variety of yeast and hops out there can have you brewing 100+ batches without ever changing the malt bill. I say go for it, if it fits you. Some key points people usually suggest are stick to light DME and or use the freshest LME you can find.
     
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  5. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    I've gone back and forth a couple times when I've been limited on time. First time I went back to extract, it took time to "get up to speed" on the process. It had been so long I forgot some stuff like what temperature to steep grains. Other than that, no other issues.
     
  6. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Once in a while I'll do an extract batch for one reason or another--usually because I'm pressed for time and because it doesn't make a huge difference for the particular style I'm making. I'm generally pleased with the results, and always slightly amazed that I can actually brew decent beer in about two hours, start to finish. If extract brewing is what fits into your life at this point, then by all means, brew with extract.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    To springboard off of what MLucky stated of: “doesn't make a huge difference for the particular style I'm making.”

    There are a large number of beer styles where extract plus specialty grains will make great beers. Some examples: APA, IPA, English Bitter Ale, Belgian Ales (e.g., Abby and Trappist style ales), Porters, Stouts, etc.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Can you think of a style that wouldn't be good w/ extract in your experience?
     
  9. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    This winter I did my first batch of extract after several years of all grain brewing. I brewed a lager and did a partial volume boil (three gallons for a five gallon batch). You definitely save tons of time skipping the mash, but doing a partial volume boil also really helped in chilling the wort down to lager yeast temperature. After chilling the wort as cold as my wort chiller would get me I poured in two gallons of ice cold bottled water and the wort was nice and cold and ready for the lager yeast. I think I will keep doing this for really simple lagers.
     
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  10. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    I must admit that my skill and patience required for a multi step wheat based brew usually means I just go with wheat DME. 12 pounds, noble hops up front, Bavarian strain. ferment. keg. always works.

    it can be fun to do a quick 5 gallons and still have time to mow the lawn, take a nap. it's not a sin.
     
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  11. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I don't think it is a sin at all. Last couple times I've brewed it has been after the kids have gone to bed, makes for a real late night and a subsequent early rise, when the youngest inevitable wakes at 5:30 AM. I'm actually looking forward to a change of pace. Brewing shouldn't be stressful & lately it has been.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would say that any style where there is a need for a malt/grain which is not present in an extract.

    Some of those types of styles that I homebrew:

    · Classic American Pilsner: this style needs an adjunct grain; I use flaked maize

    · Wit: this style needs unmalted wheat; I use flaked wheat

    · Oatmeal Stout: like the name says this beer needs oatmeal

    The above is all that comes to mind right now, oh wait a minute I am also of the personal opinion that a Kolsch is best brewed all grain. I brew my Kolsch beers with 100% German Pilsner malt. There are extracts made with Pilsner Malt (e.g., Briess Pilsner DME/LME) but IMO this extract does not provide the same flavor/aroma; IMO a Kolsch is ‘defined’ by the German Pilsner malt flavor/aroma.

    I am sure that there are other beer styles that I would add to the list given proper thinking time.

    Cheers!

    P.S. I just thought of another beer style that needs to be all grain: Grodziskie needs 100% Weyermann Oak Smoked Malt.
     
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  13. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    100% for going back to extract...same situation with 2 kids and trying to renovate my house, so time is of the essence. Not only the time saver factor but I find that I can be way more social when I invite friends over while brewing extract and the beer is basically the same quality.

    To tag on the above question...Rauchbier or other smoked beers are one that you can't really do with extract. Sure you could use peat smoked....but i definitely don't recommend it.
     
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  14. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Makes perfect sense to me. Good for you for rethinking this.

    One other thing to consider: some people report they have saved a lot of time by brewing smaller batches. I assume the time savings results from the shorter time needed to heat and cool smaller volumes of water/wort. I have not done this myself, but I am tempted to give it a try. Time is often at a premium for me, too.
     
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  15. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Makes sense , too. I'm going to run through a #50 of DME and reevaluate the pros and cons
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would suggest buying 50 lb. bags of Briess Pilsen DME; that is a high quality extract and you can use specialty grains to achieve the malt profile of a given beer style.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Sours. :wink:

    I've often thought about doing a couple extract batches to speed things up. I too, have two small rug tuggers crawling around, and I just don't have the time on the weekends at regular intervals to brew all the time.

    When I do brew, I find that I smash in 2-3 batches at a time on a weekend to stock up, and end up hating doing the last batch because I'm worn out, tired, and still have to clean up!

    A simple extract pale or IPA is something easy enough. DME, corn sugar and float some hops.

    That said- the cost of extract sucks, so doing bigger beers it can get pretty costly. However, my time is worth quite a bit, I think- so..
     
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  18. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    I totally stopped brewing for a couple of years when my kids were really small. When I started again, two things helped.

    1. overnight mashes. All I do to maintain temps is close the top of the fermenter. I lose a few (or 10) degrees but the beer tastes just as good. An overnight mash knocks 2 hours off my brew day. If you have young kids, you'll be up at 5:30am anyway. You might be done brewing by 9 or 10.
    2. kegging. The start up costs are high but were fully worth the time I saved and the clutter I eliminated.
     
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  19. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    I usually mash and lauter into my brew kettle after the kids go to bed, then wrap the kettle in a old sleeping bag fresh from the drier. It usually gets down to the 130s by the morning, plenty hot to keep baddies at bay . . .
     
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    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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