Going to try a yeast starter

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  1. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    So I am brewing an extract batch of IPA. For my yeast I am using a WL liquid. I never really used a starter as I have normally pitched dry yeast into the wort or just dumped the room temp WL liquid into the wort for my first 5 batches.

    This time I will use 4.25 cups of water with 1/2lb of LDME. I will boil it for 5-10 minutes, cool and pour into a sanitized glass caraffe. Then I will pour the room temp WL liquid in, cover with foil and poke a few holes. I will keep it in my kitchen which is normally about 75-77 degrees. For 2 days I will give it a shake each time I pass by it. On brew day (2 days later) I will simply pitch it all into the wort.
     
  2. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    First, that's about twice as much DME as you should be using for a 1L starter. General rule is 100g per liter of starter wort. Also don't poke holes in the foil. You completely get rid of any protection from infection that foil gives. You will get enough air exchange by just putting the foil on it.

    What's your OG?
     
  3. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey

    It's great that you're going to make a starter for your beer. A couple things though as I read through your process.

    .5lbs of DME in 4.25 cups of water (which is ~225 grams in just over a liter of water) will create too high gravity a wort for what you're trying to do. Typically we aim for a starter of 1.030 to 1.040 specific gravity, and the common method of getting there is to add 1 gram of malt extract for every 10 milliliters of wort (e.g. a 1 liter starter would have 1000 mL, so you would use 100 grams to make the starter). If you're not sure how much of a starter to use, I'd suggest going to mrmalty.com and using the pitching rate calculator there.

    You probably don't want to poke any holes in the foil. Loosely fitting the foil over the top of the container will still allow for air transfer when you shake the starter, and will keep any wild yeast or bacteria out. Holes in the top of the foil will serve as a possible entry point for stuff you don't want in your starter.
     
  4. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    WOW! OK. Thanks guys. It's amazing how many different ideas you can come up with here. I don't know my OG yet. I wouldn't even know how to calculate that before brewing. And would the loose foil stay on tight enough to not pop off? I assume it wouldn't be that rapid then. Would it be a good idea to use a growler with an airlock?
     
  5. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    You can calculate your OG here. Loose foil is fine and will not pop off as long as you have sufficient head space. Airlock is not as good because you don't get the air exchange and you don't produce as much or as healthy yeast.
     
  6. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I've found that my beers are much better since I've been making starters. I use a cup of DME in a quart of water. Otherwise just as you say. I use a Growler with a drilled cap and airlck and have had no problms with viability.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    IMO you can make another leap forward by sizing your starters according to the OG (and type) of your beers. Mr. Malty calculator is a big help for that.
     
  9. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Holy COW! That site for Beer Calculus just told me that my beer will have consist of

    OG: 1.068
    FG: 1.017
    ABV: 6.8
    91.3 IBU
    224 Cal./12oz

    When I bought the ingredients and recipe it showed it was only 60 IBU and 6.1%
     
  10. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    MrMalty shows that with an OG of 1.068 I would need 2.86L of starter. So would that mean that I would need to use 2.86L of water with 286g. of DME? And would 2 days be sufficient?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That (2.86L) sounds like it's for a 'Simple Starter.' There is a dropdown box in the calculator where you can select other types, such as 'intermittent shaking' (which means you qive your flask a swirl every once in a while). This will reduce the size you need by keeping the yeast suspended and keeping the solution oxygenated.

    Two days may be enough, depending on yeast strain, temperature, how much you swirl.
     
  12. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Thanks Vike. Now it shows 1.65L of starter
     
  13. Tieman

    Tieman Devotee (349) Oct 16, 2007 California

  14. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    One other thing you might want to consider: a lot of us like to decant the excess fluid from the starter so that you don't get off flavors from the starter 'beer.' It probably wouldn't make much difference with a 93 IBU IPA like you're planning, but ... every little thing you can do to make the beer better helps, right?

    If you want to try this, here's what you do: when you're starter is finished fermenting (two days should be plenty of time), put it in the refrigerator the night before brewing day. Take it out in the morning. You'll notice the yeast has formed a layer on the bottom and the fluid has cleared considerably. Put the starter somewhere where it will slowly warm to about pitching temp (~68F) while you're brewing. When it comes time to pitch, pour off all but about one inch of the fluid, then swirl that around so that the yeast is in suspension, and pitch it. Good luck!
     
  15. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Does that say 'boil for 1 minute'? Seems like that would be not nearly enough to sanitize.
     
  16. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    I just got a new grill with a side burner. Has anyone used that to boil their starters right in the Erlenmeyer Flask? I'm thinking it's the exact same thing as a gas stovetop but thought I'd throw the idea off the large BA Homebrewer Crew!
     
  17. DNuggs

    DNuggs Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts

    I was under the impression that you're slowly killing off any potential infection sources as you're slowly heating up the starter. The extra minute of boiling time is just an insurance policy. I've never brought my starters to a boil longer than a minute and have always had positive results.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I was surprised to ‘learn’ that you only need to boil for one minute to purify water:

    “Boiling water is the most effective method of purifying it. To do so, you will need a heat source, such as a cooker or camping stove, and a vessel to hold the water. According to the Washington State Department of Health and the United States Environmental Protection Agency, you should bring the water to boil and keep it rolling for one minute to purify it. At altitudes above one mile, 2,000 meters, you should increase the rolling time to three minutes.”
     
  19. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    Hmm. I've always boiled my DME/Water for about 15 minutes. I'm curious what's ideal, 1 minute boil, or 15 minute boil.

    Last night I did a test to see how much volume I was losing to a 15 minute boil in my 'starter' pot. It was about 550ml.

    I knew to calculate boil off for my kettle to properly determine initial water volume (I use BIAB method), but for whatever reason, I never bothered to do that for my starters. My last starter had 200g of DME and wound up only hitting the 1500ml mark on my flask. Little strong, I think!
     
  20. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    Since I'm making a starter tonight for Sunday's zombie dust clone, I'll use this 1 minute boil 'technique'. Glad I dropped in to read this thread!
     
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