Good hop to pair w/hull melon?

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  1. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    If you were actually looking, some Aussie hops have landed - http://www.yakimavalleyhops.com/Import_Hop_Pellets_2017_s/2053.htm - they still have 2 and 8 oz. left of galaxy now. The full lb. bags went quick, I guess.
     
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  2. bryantc3

    bryantc3 Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2017 New Jersey
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    thanks, ordered some Vic Secret. been dying to make a vic secret + mosaic after having that combo from Other Half last year.
     
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  3. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    Believe me, it will. Hull melon gets drowned out easily. Use hops with low AA% and moderate aroma/flavor profiles. Try Rakau.
     
  4. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    I’m brewing an all Huell Melon Kolsch on Thursday. It will be awhile before it is ready but I will report back...for science.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Please do report back.

    I enjoyed drinking Sixpoint Köld Schauer – a Kolsch.

    Cheers!
     
  6. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I figured I would give an update on these hops. I have not gone in the keg yet, but my beer has made a weird turn once I started cold crashing it. I have used this same exact grain bill for over 10 neipas and have not had a single issue before, but here is what it now looks like since starting cold crash.
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    It turned a weird brownish red color and normally it's a nice bright orange juice color. I did everything exactly the same in my process and ingredients as my other neipas. Maybe I did something wrong somewhere, but the only difference in this beer and process is the hops from 47hops. I'm kind of lost here as I am about 95% sure I didn't make any mistakes. Does anyone have any insight to what caused this color I've never seen it happen before. The beer has been in the same vessel since the start and when i start cold crashing I always put a balloon full of co2 on the end of the blow off tube to prevent it from sucking in oxygen.

    *edit* it has been 1 week since brew day**
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I can't think of any reason why using differing hops would cause a darkening in color. I can think of only one reason for the why beer would be darker than expected but I'd rather not speak its name.

    Hopefully the beer will taste OK despite the color change?

    Cheers!
     
  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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  9. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Maybe the hop oil content wasn't high enough to bond with the yeast cells? Lack of bio-transformation? So everything dropped out, rather than remain in suspension, resulting in a darker appearance due to lack of particulate.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe @Soneast is onto something here? Maybe it is just a case that the permahaze did not develop like it did in previous batches and therefore this batch has a darker appearance?

    Cheers!
     
  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    While possible I tend to think oxygenation happened somehow. I’d be interested in knowing how it tastes.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, that would be the 'acid test'. Hopefully @TooHopTooHandle will report back on that topic at a later date. And hopefully the report will be that the beer tastes OK.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I'm with Soneast on this one.
    If you did the same process you always do. I doubt you have oxygen ingress. I'm more of the mind it's the hops you are using do not have the various science bits as the other hops various science unementionables which yeast can get involved with and cling onto.
    You are in a different group of compounds which make up the aromatics, and the flavor profile.
    Brewers are getting acclimated with this space by discovering bio transformation. But... Cannabis friendly sites do a far better job of breaking this down than hop providers for some reason.
    re: https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/terpenes-the-flavors-of-cannabis-aromatherapy
     
  14. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I find it hard to believe its oxygen ingress since only being 7 days since pitching yeast and its stayed in the same vessel the whole time. I'm thinking the hop oils have something to do with it
     
  15. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Once I get it kegged I will report back on the results. Like I stated before I really think it's related to the hops. I have my neipa process down pretty solid.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If the difference is hop variety related my guess is that this is due to varying levels (and types?) of polyphenols vs. an essential oil aspect.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    @JackHorzempa well I pulled a sample from the keg tonight. It's not fully carbed yet, but it def lacks big time in the hop character, is very muted, aroma is not there, and weak compared to my previous versions. For having 20oz of hops in this beer it should not taste/smell like this. The aroma is even muffled. I have made beers with 6oz of hops that expressed more character than this. I just ordered some hops from Yakima valley and will be doing the same exact grainbill, water chem, and same 8th gen London 1318. If it turns out the same with these new fresher hops then I know it's the yeast and it has taken a bad turn. The yeast or the hops is the only thing It can be. I am very familiar with this recipe/process so I know it's not that. I have to brew my saison next then I'll do the neipa again. I'll report back on what happens.
     
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