Good Kegging Deal?

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  1. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    Moved my beer to cold crash last night then read that it will lead to O2 suck back. Down the rabbit hole I went and now I've decided it's time to start kegging. Are either of the following kits good deals? They have free shipping going on right now too until midnight.

    Kit 1 - Two kegs, one new one used, but a small CO2 tank and a single gauge regulator
    Kit 2 - One used keg, bigger CO2 tank and dual gauge regulator

    They have a pin lock kit just like the second one that's cheaper, not sure if there is some benefit to one over the other that would justify the price difference. If neither one of these are good should I piece together individual components or are there other sites you would recommend with a good all in one starter kit?

    Thanks,
    Tim
     
  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think like everything in brewing, it's a matter of knowing how big you want to get with kegging. Do you already have a chest freezer or fridge, and you know how many taps you want to run, and at what pressure? Those are the first questions to answer. Lots of us like to play around with your ideas if you want to spell them out for us.

    I did a little digging around, and it looks like several places are trying to sell paintball setups for kegging. I'm not sure why. It's great if you want to throw a 2 gal keg in a water cooler and rig up a to-go beer setup. It's not good for home setup and you'll run through a dozen of those bottles every year. (I would, anyway). Both kits seem pretty steep in price for what you're getting. craigslist would be a good way to score $50 used ball lock kegs and maybe some of the other stuff you'd need. Any time you can get your hands on a used keg, don't buy it unless it's pressure sealed.

    Off the cuff:

    I have a dual regulator, and recommend these to EVERYONE. I only run one pressure for all 6 beers, but I use the other one for a workhorse line. I use it to pressurize kegs, purge equipment, etc. It lets me crank up the pressure to 35psi without messing with the pressure that goes to the beer.

    Buy a big CO2 tank and leave it outside of the fridge. It will save you having to make multiple trips to the CO2 store every year. refills are cheaper per pound.

    Buy distributors They are connections that you run the same pressure as the regulator through multiple vents for multiple kegs. I have a 3 way and 4 way distributor in my 6 keg setup. Very happy to have these.
     
  3. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    I have a small chest freezer that I use as a fermentation vessel and was going to dual purpose it to start with plans of buying another soon. I think i would only run two kegs at a time, so maybe I should plan for 3, and have up to two carbing. Not sure on the serving pressure yet. I set up an alert of kegs locally and have only had one pop up on Craigslist in the last 6 months and they wanted a price that was as much as any online store. Any reason to choose ball or pin lock?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Ball lock kegs normally have pressure relief valves with pull rings, which you can pull to vent the keg. This is useful for purging O2 (using CO2 pressure) from the keg before and after filling with beer, or for letting CO2 out (by burping every few minutes) if you have over carbonated the keg. Pin lock kegs usually don't have these, so you have to use a screwdriver (or something) to depress the gas-side post's poppet if you want to vent, which is not as convenient. The dimensions of the kegs themselves are also a bit different, which can be important if your serving fridge has limited floor space or height. (Pin lock kegs are shorter and fatter than ball lock kegs.)
     
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  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    The guys and gals here generally know their stuff. I don't know if you're close, but you can pick their brains on your setup. Kegs are $70ish right now and a tough steep. http://www.greatfermentations.com/events/categories/tap-into-seminar/
     
  6. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    Reached out to one of the local groups and was able to track down two ball lock kegs which I'll hopefully be able to pick up in the next week. I've found a couple of local CO2 suppliers too, ~$100 for a 5 lb tank filled sound right? I'll probably pick up this regulator and get the hoses and disconnects from my local home brew store. Am I missing anything else I would need to have on hand to get started?
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would shop this around. Determine if you'll be swapping or waiting on a re-fill. A 5 lb'er leaves a lot to be desired . . . in my area a 20 lb'er only costs a few bucks more to fill. Normally you'll more than make up for the initial higher price with the cheaper refill, plus fewer trips. My craigslist tanks are my pride and joy.

    Consider placing "wyes" on your regulator outputs: [​IMG]. They are less than ten bucks and you can have spare gas lines for purging/bottling/horsing-around/more-kegs . . . CO2 will be your new friend.

    As a general rule, you'll want twice as many tanks as you think you'll use, so I suggest start looking for another pair. Also, check out Home Bar, lot of keg talk.
     
  8. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    I'll find out tomorrow how much the 10 lb tank runs and consider it, the $250 they want for the 20 lb is a little more than I want to spend right now. If nothing else I can upgrade to it later and have the 5 lb for backup or other uses. I don't see any locally on craigslist unfortunately.

    I was hoping I could transfer my beer from cold crash to the keg this weekend but I didn't have any luck finding a regulator I get could in time without paying a high expedited shipping cost.
     
  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    When it comes to tanks, Google is your friend.
     
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  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    It was cheaper to buy an aluminum tank online and then just swap vs. buy a tank locally. @PortLargo has your solution
     
  11. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    How long can I get away with leaving my beer in cold crash? Is two weeks too long? If so guess I'll just have to bottle this last time and keg the next one.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    There's no definitive answer to this that would apply to all situations, but I can say that you can leave your beer cold crashed on the yeast for longer than you could leave it warm on the yeast. Two weeks is more than likely fine, assuming the beer wasn't already on the yeast for too long before you crashed it.
     
  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Not at all . . . probably want to rack before it goes over a month, even that is a little conservative. Once you start kegging your beer will be permanently cold-crashing.
     
  14. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    This was a saison made using Wyeast 3724. It took a full six weeks to fully ferment down to 1.01 and went into cold crash this past Sunday.
     
  15. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    Picked up both kegs today, CO2 tank arrives tomorrow and regulator on Monday, way ahead of expected delivery luckily. The kegs came from a brewery that is upgrading equipment and look clean already. Do I need to or should I do anything to them between now and Tuesday, PBW soak even though they look good already?

    I'm going to be using a picnic tap to start with until I can get my collar built, is there a suggested line length for it? I know long lines are normally needed but wasn't sure for it, I purchased a ten foot one just to be safe.
     
  16. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You want to do a complete disassembly, overnight PBW soak, then a starsan rinse. All new keg systems initially leak. You want to find your leaks before you add the beer. Recommend setting 40 - 50 psi and thoroughly testing each fitting with a starsan squirt gun. Then leave it overnight with the master valve off and see if it holds pressure. You really don't want to be on a first name basis with the carbon dioxide store clerk.

    You'll need spare parts. For less than the price of the typical 5 - pc o-ring kit you can get a packet of 100 (Amazon, McMaster). Spend some time in Home Bar searching for "foam, leaks, balance, help" for some other good tidbits. Expect about a week to get everything in balance.
     
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  17. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    When you say local groups - Did you mean a section of this forum? Iv'e just been reading and reaching out to people who list ohio as there location, would be BA if there was a section for homebrewers per state!
     
  18. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    McMasters http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=12oxnu4 knows the size o-rings that you need by heart. They're about a penny each, instead of buying a set for $2 or $3 online or from a LHBS. They come in bags of 50ish. You'll run through rubbers like back in college. Make sure you pick up some lube too. :wink:
     
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  19. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    No, I searched for a local home brew group a while back and joined their Facebook page. I just posted on there and they were very helpful. Here is a list of some of the ones in Ohio, most probably have a Facebook group and are worth checking out if one is local to you.
     
  20. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    As in there is somewhere on there where I say I have kegs show me all the o-rings?
     
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