Good or bad or none

Then it's definitely on him to reimburse the shipping cost. It has to be at least $30 for 2 boxes right? I don't think he will have any problem doing that, but weird that it's not voluntary.

 

This is why I am against pre-trades. I don't understand why we need pre-trades, people should just wait until they get the beer and then work out trades.

To me, you took a risk when you made this trade, it crapped out. You got your beer back and a couple of extras. Loss of shipping money is your problem, not his. Also, it cost him money to ship stuff back to you.

There should be no feedback at all on this one.

 

I pre-trade, but with all the caveats spelled out and in constant communication with my partners. We don't ship until all the beers are secured on both end. Pre-trade works just fine if you follow that simple process.

The party who failed to make the commitment is responsibles for any and all cost incurred by the other side who fulfilled his commitment in its entirety. His cost of shipping the beer back is punishment for his failure.

 

@Ben7773
Did you ask the trader for reimbursement on shipping? If so, did the trader refuse?

 

Gotta go with @mythaeus on this one. If the other guy requested you ship first so he could have the beers for his vacation and then didn't deliver on his end then that's entirely on him. Although a nice gesture, a ZD and dino isn't worth what you lost in shipping based on his request. Seems very cut and dry to me.

 

You have a good point on the shipping for his vacation. Still think OP takes some of the risk because of pre-trade aspect. Also, OP should have known there would be a shit show to get the GI beer and possibly of his trading partner not getting it.

I am still going with no feedback at all on this one.

 

Lol, it was weird disagreeing with you but it happens

BTW, I do agree there is a risk doing pre trades and I would normally say "that's the risk you take". The deciding factor for me was the specific request of the other trader to ship early. If I'm the other trader I assume I would be taking the risk of not getting the beers and if I couldn't I would reimburse the OP for his shipping and throw in the two extras for the inconvenience.

Either way, I wouldn't say it deserves a bad trader thread but its not someone I would trade with again if they didn't reimburse me.

 

I probably wouldn't trade with them again, period.

No way of knowing if he never got the Prop, or if he got the Prop and then decided he could get a much better deal based on current trading threads.

Sorry, maybe that makes me an asshole, but I don't feel it's okay to agree to a deal and then back out, for any reason. That's me. Too much BS going on quite frankly. You're not sure you can deliver on a pre trade, youve got no business agreeing to it.

 

^^^^Thats what came across in my head as well, considering his trader said he "knew people at Goose Island and at stores". It would help to clarify a few things if the OP stated what beers exactly were involved in the trade, as well as if he asked for his shipping costs back. If the trader doesn't refund the shipping costs, I definitely would not deal with that BA again based on principle.

 

Yeah, I thought of that but didn't want to say it. I realize it was a pain in the ass to get though so I don't want to call anyone a liar. I would be a little skeptical.

 

It comes down to the relationship you already had with the other trader and do you trust his honesty? I had a pre-trade for 2x Prop with a former trade partner. We were texting each other when he was in line at 5.30AM. He ended up not being able to fulfill the trade and I had absolutely no problem with it because I trusted him. A few days later, he messaged me and said he was able to come up with 1 for me and still looking for another for me. No luck on the 2nd, but the Prop will be on its way to me tomorrow.

Point is, it's always give and take and nearly every situation is unique. Unless I have clear cut evident that the trader got a better deal, I assume that they didn't and simply move on. It's easier for both of us and we are happier traders that way. I do really believe that, despite all the bad trader threads and shiftiness that has been going on, most traders are good, honest, and decent people. I'll treat them as such until they give me a clear reason to think otherwise instead of approaching everyone with suspicions.

 

But you're changing the facts. This isn't two traders with an established history trading with one another. Sure, under your conditions I'd trust my trade partner.

Admittedly my opinion is colored by the fact that I've had several people back out of pre trades on me claiming they couldn't get the beer, only to learn subsequently that they had gotten the beer and made a different deal.

Under these particular circumstances, sorry, but you don't get the benefit of the doubt. If that seems unfair, well, you shouldn't have committed and then not followed through.

 

They've traded before, that much we do know. Even if they didn't, it doesn't change the approach I'd personally take. You can sense things and see things. For me, unless you SEE things, i.e listing of the same item for trade, I won't assume the worst. You can sense things in your communications and go from there to determine what's next. Again, the point I want to emphasize is that "it depends" and defaulting to a positive reason is better for yourself than to a negative reason.

 

Your comment about sensing things and seeing things probably best sums up the differences in,our perspectives.

When I was growing up there was a show on Tv where the tag line was "
Man lives in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality.
But...there is, unseen by most, an underworld, a place that is just as real,
but not as brightly lit... a darkside."

Most people live and work in fields where it's it's all puppy dogs and roses, they teach, they sell, they manufacture, they do all sorts of things that don't bring them into contact with the "other side" of reality.

Some of us work in fields that bring us "behind" the curtain on a daily basis. we live and work in a world where people do awful, terrible things to each other all of the time. We lie, we cheat, we steal, and do things that are much worse.

You live in that world, you have a different perspective. if you had to rely only on what you could see, very bad things would happen. And do. For some people, we rely on our senses, it's what allows us to do what we do.

Youe got your perspective, I respect that. I just don't agree with it in this case.

 

I had several of backouts, but only one I thought was suspicious. Because of no way I'd know the reason for sure, I didn't bother to press or dig. I'm a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt so I have to really be convinced. If you had many experiences where people backed out and you knew for sure they got a better deal, I don't blame you for being suspicious.

 

Very interesting dialogue btwn you two, please, don't stop.

Respectful and insightful differences of opinion with excellent points on both sides.

 

I'm really starting to think that they are 3rd cousins that don't see each other very often and BA brings them together every once in awhile. That just what I'm sensing

 

Duplicate alter ego accounts?

 

Lol.