Goose Island won me back

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by ZDub, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. smbslt

    smbslt Champion (857) Dec 26, 2010 Illinois
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    Good companies make bad decisions (GI?) and bad companies make good decisions (AB?) - it's just business - relax, have a beer but not for the alcohol unless that's why you're drinking it (sorry I forgot which forum I was on for a second) and put your disposable income where your tastes are.
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  2. CantorMan891

    CantorMan891 Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2012 Indiana

    Highly unlikely. The Bell family just got done purchasing the last shares of the company that didn't belong to them. It is now an entirely Bell family-owned operation. This has been something that Larry Bell has acknowledged he is incredibly proud of.
  3. Soxfan45

    Soxfan45 Aspirant (203) Jun 28, 2013 Connecticut

    I just wish I could get his beer in New England. Hopefully someday!
  4. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (485) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    can I send you some vintage stuf? I have really been enjoying 08 Matilda lately. Will send you 2 bottles for a Fedex label.
  5. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Aspirant (296) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    I dont feel the macro crowd has embraced their regular beers. I hardly ever see their IPA relatively fresh. Its usually at least 6 months old. Honkers and 312 are still beers I enjoy but I dont think the non craft crowd is buying that stuff even though its easy to find now. I went to a store looking for their IPA and they didnt even have it in the cooler. I asked the guy if he had it and went into the back and opened up a box and took a sixer out and handed it to me. It was like 8 months old. Of course I didnt want it. I dont know why if its an IPA why they didnt put in the cooler right away instead of letting it sit in an unopened box.

    I wasnt a big fan of Sofie and Matilda but they taste better when aged and I had them fresher so Im not gonna trash them.
  6. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,279) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    is the nut brown ale back into nationwide bottle distribution? until then, i remain ambivalent.
  7. IceAce

    IceAce Champion (870) Jan 8, 2004 California

    It's nice to see that, thus far...they haven't blown it.
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  8. Takeanotherswing

    Takeanotherswing Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2011 New York
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    That sounds like a strange view... you basically hope the beer industry becomes closer to becoming a monopoly, and less diverse, so that you can get all the beer around the country... I love Juliet, Lolita, Madame Rose, BCBS, and Sofie Paradisi, but I wouldn't want companies to be bought over by the "Evil Giant" just so it would be more convenient to me.
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  9. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,455) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    And that sounds like a strange view.

    The beer industry is on track to have close to 3000 breweries by the end of the next 5 years, and craft beer has been growing 12% annually, during a recession. Despite the "evil giant" (more like uncoordinated and ineffective doofus if you want to characterize ABI by their results) trying to stop them.

    My gosh when are folks going to stop repeating ridiculous assertions that are so easily contradicted by a quick look at reality.

    And I see nothing wrong with desiring Bells to be purchased by some company who can actually distribute to those who don't get it now. Is there something wrong with wanting as much Bell's Expedition stout as we now get of BCBS?
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  10. Takeanotherswing

    Takeanotherswing Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2011 New York
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    The industry has been growing more and more, though I believe at some point, years from now, the bubble will burst...

    But.. The idea seems selfish in wanting the staple craft breweries that have been making great beer and have been innovative in their time to be bought over by InBev just so you can go to your local shop and pick some up. At which point, might not even be the same beer based on the quantity and more involved in ingredients than the beers InBev has been brewing. There have been many rumblings from brewers and craft industry workers about how InBev conducts its business with bars and distributors around the country, trying to bribe and use illegal inducements to sell their product and not the "little guy's". It's not like they're going to make the whole craft beer world a perfect place. At some point they'll probably buy over another big brewery name, and everyone will keep flip flopping their view.
  11. BrettHead

    BrettHead Devotee (479) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    What bubble? *sigh*
  12. bleakies

    bleakies Devotee (400) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I don't have any opposition to Goose Island, but if one of your pals was threatened by a house fire while another friend was drowning in the pool, and you knew you couldn't save both, would you therefore not try to save either? You know, for the sake of consistency?
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  13. beerindaglass

    beerindaglass Aspirant (217) Feb 20, 2013 Florida
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    Goose Island... I can leave em. Since all we have access to (and after talking to the distro will only have access to for the forseable future) is three beers that are well below the competition, I have no idea how good their beer can be. Scores of 74, 84, etc. won't get a beer purchase from me.

    All the beers they brew and they send their worst three to a huge market like Florida. Genius!!!
  14. rundownhouse

    rundownhouse Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2005 Tennessee

    I'm the opposite as most as when AB bought them I had no problems with them, but as the exodus of long-time, experienced GI workers has grown, I've decided to stop buying GI beers. It's very similar to the exodus of AB brewers when they were bought by InBev.
  15. utopiajane

    utopiajane Poo-Bah (2,479) Jun 11, 2013 New York

    I've got one - Goose Island people shop at Talbots, Harpoon'ers at the army navy store and people who drink Ommegang wear keychains on their belts and put out subversive pamphlets. :rolling_eyes:

    If you want to keep beer out of the monopoly then think that craft is a local commodity. While ticking and trying every beer is a great hobby, when the dust settles and you go to buy your six pack; can you choose a local?
  16. bleakies

    bleakies Devotee (400) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I don't follow your analogy, but as to your question, Yes.

    I just now returned from the packy where I picked up a sixer of Notch Pils and one of Newburyport Green Head IPA, and a couple Pretty Things bombers. It was an unintentionally homercentric set of purchases, only saved from complete provincialism by the Ayinger dunkel and the Weihenstephaner dunkelweizen singles that also leapt into my basket.
  17. utopiajane

    utopiajane Poo-Bah (2,479) Jun 11, 2013 New York

    Save the local. That is all.

    Tell me that they (GI) are not gonna suffer some loss of quality and I wont' believe it. Also how big do you have to get before you decide you can ride roughshod over the environment? or the people who work for you?

    I'll leave you with one last image. Sandra bullock and sly stallone (I think) in a movie where every restaurant is taco bell - :grimacing:
  18. BeerMeInStl

    BeerMeInStl Aspirant (205) Jan 26, 2013 Missouri

    I'd just like to know why I can never find any BCBS here in St. Louis. I can easily find everything else that GI makes but not BCBS.
  19. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Aspirant (283) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    BCBS is unevenly distributed and demand for it is actually quite haphazard. In D.C. you can still find it on the shelf in a few stores, and I don't mean out of the way places with no traffic either. Most likely demand exceeded supply or there wasn't much demand (and thus supply).

    It all evens out though. You guys get quick and frequent access to Sixth Glass and Dark Truth, which I've slowly and painfully discovered are not as easy to get in Boulevard's distribution arc as Missouri, Iowa and Illinois would make it seem....
  20. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota

    08 Matilda is awesome
  21. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,688) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    This is just a reminder of how stupid and childish it is to boycott Goose because of who owns them. It is still Goose Island not Goose Island Brought to you by AB.
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  22. brandon911

    brandon911 Zealot (503) Mar 15, 2011 Texas

    I had Matilda on tap at GI in O'hare airport and didn't find it great. Is it better bottled or just the fact I was having it in an airport making it merely okay?
  23. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Zealot (570) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana

    Did you see his avatar? Jerry lives and he apparently has taken up craft beer since he doesn't have to tour anymore

    That being said, I started drinking gi in about 1997. Give me that hex nut brown! Love that they can start producing this again.
  24. jaxon53

    jaxon53 Meyvn (1,046) Mar 1, 2006 Connecticut
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    Just a quick question. If somehow AB/INBEV bought GI under the radar, and no one knew, would anyone hate on GI? Would this thread exist? Just go out and enjoy what you like!
  25. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,455) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Well, I think the slippery slope argument is sort of the argument of those who cannot point to valid observations to make their points.

    I am assuming either you didn't read the linked articles, or you somehow feel they are lies. I would welcome Bells to be distributed to my area. I don't care if you dislike the company that accomplishes that or whether you like the company that accomplishes that. Craft beer is doing just fine, either in spite of, or because of, all the "evil doings" of ABI. I don't care who brings me Expedition Stout, Bells, ABI, or someone else, if they can do it like they are doing it with BCBS, which is to say equal quality, equal price as before, with multiple times better distribution. Why you care, or anyone cares, who accomplishes this is beyond me.
  26. Takeanotherswing

    Takeanotherswing Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2011 New York
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    ...because I have more care about the ethics and heart put into the things I buy, even if its "just beer". That's why I highly respect the practices of Shaun Hill, Greg Koch and Lagunitas to name a few... I think that's the problem with a lot of America (a lot of people not caring about the ethics or process in the the things they buy or promote) but I'll leave this on the subject of beer. Btw, of course I read the article. It's working out for both parties right now, cool, but my comments were on if this became a trend and the selfishness of the consumer.

    I do buy the Barrel Aged beers from GI, because they are quality and are still overlooked by the people who were part of the brewing process before bought over.

    now onto enjoying the outdoors...
  27. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,455) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Well, I also want to get on to other things, but will make one more reply. ABI uses their clout to try to dominate the marketplace. Small breweries are four times as dangerous for the employees of those companies to work in as are large breweries, including some deadly accidents.

    Which are the evil breweries again? I guess it all depends on which propaganda movie you have seen most recently. Cheers!
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  28. rundownhouse

    rundownhouse Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2005 Tennessee


    You're really not concerned by the the talent leaving? If the people making the beer don't believe in it anymore, why should I?
  29. Soxfan45

    Soxfan45 Aspirant (203) Jun 28, 2013 Connecticut

    There will always be good local beers to drink wherever you go. I love when I go to New Hampshire and drink a beer from one of the many small local breweries. I also feel that when a company like Bell's or Russian River ( which I also would love to try but can't get in ct) wants to expand and grow they should be able to. If that means selling out to "the man" so be it as long as they get it right.
  30. Soxfan45

    Soxfan45 Aspirant (203) Jun 28, 2013 Connecticut

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    I work for a AB Distributor and I can tell you this my company DOES NOT bribe anyone. I can't speak for other AB wholesales just the one I work for. If you really want to know why AB/INBEV has been looking into the craft market it is simple. If you took a photo of a 10 door cooler in a package/liquor store 10 years ago it would have been 6 domestic( AB, miller, coors) 1 door import, 2 doors micro (with half that Sam ) and a mikes hard/malt beverages. That same store now has 3 or 4 domestic 1 import and 4 or 5 craft. They want that business it it that simple. I just read somewhere that the craft market is 6% of the beer market but in 10-15 years in will be 12-15%. As Tom Haden told Vito Corleone there is a lot of money in that white stuff ( or craft beer) if we don't get involved one or all of the other five family's will. It won't hurt us today but it will in 10 years. I just think AB/INBEV is looking 10years down the road. Cheers!!!!!!
  31. maxcoinage

    maxcoinage Defender (620) Apr 6, 2012 Illinois
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    Definitely agreed with OP -- was on a tour at the Clybourn Brewery in June and you could tell that Inbev basically has nothing to do with what goes on there, they do their own thing and make great brews.
  32. PoopChute69

    PoopChute69 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Poland

    If this thread was invite-only, I guarantee you wouldn't be invited.
  33. brewtaster

    brewtaster Initiate (73) Sep 20, 2008 Indiana

    I loved Honkers ale before IMBev and I tried to be objective but Honkers has definately gone bad since IMBev and it is one of those that is no longer brewed in Chicago.
  34. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Meyvn (1,023) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    I hate AB-Inbev business practices, but I've been loyal to Goose and Goose's beers for a long time now, and they're still great beers. I, like the OP, was quite skeptical about the takeover at first, but I've been won back by the quality of the brews. I gotta pick my battles, as I can only fight so many. I gotta go w/ethically-produced meat over great brewery owned by a-holes at this point. Especially since my experience at the Clybourne brewpub two weekends ago was FANTASTIC.
  35. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    I really hope they up the size for Bourbon County releases too.
  36. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    Ms. Cleo told me BCBS production will continue to grow. MSRP will be stagnant. Coffee will be more readily available. They will brew a Ms. Cleo themed variant.
  37. NotACommunist

    NotACommunist Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2011 South Carolina

    ISO: BA Call Me Now!
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  38. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,455) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Okay one more reply.

    I care about whether the beer is fine and can I get it reliably and affordably. That is how I judge a company. If a brewery breaks no laws, and distributes fine beer reliably and affordably to me, that is a company I am in favor of. If the talent leaves (or doesn't leave) and the quality goes down, I stop buying.

    Do I wish that large breweries didn't use their clout to try to dominate the market? I guess I do. Do I wish small breweries took safety of their employees more seriously? I guess I do.

    Are either of these concerns remotely near to important as concerns I have about thousands of other companies whose policies result directly in the deaths of millions of people, the destruction of nature, and the destruction of the American economy? I will leave that rhetorical.
  39. Soxfan45

    Soxfan45 Aspirant (203) Jun 28, 2013 Connecticut

    Please read the link from earlier in the thread. It it a interview with one of the goose brewmasters.