Got the empty CO2 tank blues

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  1. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Well, I guess it had to happen - first time kegging a beer, and when I went downstairs to pour myself a glass...nothing. Seems like my CO2 tank has completely emptied itself, which means I have a leak somewhere. Worse, I think it must be a slow leak, because the keg spent a week carbonating and was pouring fine until about 2 days ago. When I assembled everything, I sprayed StarSan on all the connections and didn't see any bubbling, but if it's a slow leak then maybe it wouldn't be very obvious?

    I'm going to get my tank refilled, but obviously I need to figure out where my problem lies. How do you diagnose a slow leak in a keg system? Wasting CO2 costs me a lot of time and money and I don't want to do it again.
     
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Spray starsan on all the connections including the lid. Do you hear fizz or see bubbles? There is your leak.
     
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  3. GUNSLINGER

    GUNSLINGER Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2013 Colorado

    ^This. I turn my pressure up just about as high I can get it as well, even if it's just a pin hole leak there the high pressure helps make it a bit more obvious and easier to find.

    Tighten all fittings, use food safe grease on seals and then tighten everything again.

    I've had this happen once before; exactly as you described with a new keg and it sucked. Traded in the tank and went to town on tightening everything and using some grease on seals. No leak and it held pressure.

    Good luck.
     
  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    As advised, set 40+ psi and squirt away with the starsan and don't assume you only have one leak. After correcting any problems leave the pressure set with the tank master valve off . . . it should read the same in 24 hours. You really don't want to be on a first-name basis with those guys at the CO2 store. Also, if you are buying extra gaskets/seals/o-rings it's cheaper (if you count anguish) to buy twice as much as you think you will ever need.
     
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  5. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    joint by joint, with star san or something else that bubbles. I've had more luck with that blue stuff you buy to check for gas leaks. Been there, feel for you. I've had leaks that take forever to fine they are so small.
     
  6. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I did spray Star San everywhere, but I didn't think to crank the pressure way up. I'll try that next time, and also try leaving the main valve off for 24h like Largo suggested, to see if the system is holding its pressure. Thanks, all.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think most of us have been there. You're out $20 of CO2. Be grateful that it's on the gas side instead of the liquid side. If it was the liquid side you'd be out $20 and you'd have a helluva mess to clean up.
     
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  8. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    My keezer is still a total mess from a liquid side leak earlier this winter, still waiting until things warm up to attempt the major cleanup.
     
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  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Make sure to spray the release valve if it is a ball lock keg. I had one keg with a bad spring or maybe the seal that was bad, took me forever to find that leak. Also, make sure to check the poppets on both posts, pull off the gas line and the beer line and spray the tops and look for bubbles.

    good luck
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    soapy water works mo betta than Starsan, IMHO
     
  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the keg being the issue.

    Good Luck!
     
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  12. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    The CO2 post o-ring has been the culprit many times for me. The rubber always cracks. I feel like I replace them every couple of months, but it is only this one. The beer side post 0-ring is fine.

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  13. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I replace the post o-rings every time I clean a keg. At 2 cents each, it's cheap insurance. I also lube the o-rings virtually every time I touch them (OCD, perhaps?).
     
  14. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I've had several major leaks, usually it's the o-ring. This week I kegged a rye pale, and the keg lid wouldn't seat so I replaced it. I've also had the relief valves leak but these are the kinds of problems I find by turning the gas up to 40 psi and checking BEFORE I put the keg in the fridge. I also put new o-rings on for every fill, they can go bad long after the keg goes into the fridge.
    For a first time kegger I'm betting it's a clamp not tightened quite enough, there are always little problems like that on the first use.
     
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  15. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Yes :slight_smile:, but at least you don't have leaks. I just inspect and replace as needed which is usually every 4-6 months.
     
  16. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Another important lesson to be learned: you need a spare tank. It really sucks to open a tap on Friday night and realize you're out of CO2 and you can't get a refill until Monday.
     
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  17. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    That reminds me, I need to get my spare tank filled...
     
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  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Another good reason to use a smaller tank if you are not sure of your "leak prevention quality assurance" : )
     
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  19. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Given the small difference in price, this is a very small justification for a small tank.
    That said, and not to go off on a tangent, I've often thought about the one potential problem of using NG over propane for my grill. If I forget to turn it off after grilling (more likely if I've been drinking heavily), the limit of my loss is a single tank of propane. With NG, I have nightmares of looking out on my patio after an unusual late April snowstorm and noticing that there's no snow on the grill. Then I remember that I cooked burgers last October.
     
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  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Surely you jest : )...if you forget to turn your NG off, you go up like an ISIS hostage...never mind...bad analogy

    Seriously, for one of my suppliers there is virtually no difference in price between a 20 # and a 5# tank, but for another there is a ~ 100% difference...go figure. Cheers.
     
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