Gots Grayed Out / Max Reached

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  1. devoured_by_vermin

    devoured_by_vermin Zealot (639) Mar 3, 2016 New York
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    Sometime within the last 4-5 days I noticed that the "Got it" checkbox is greyed out everywhere, and thus not usable. Got it boxes that I have checked in the past remain checked, but I'm unable to check any new ones.

    I'm using the latest versions of Firefox and Chrome on 2 computers, one at home and one at work.

    I initially assumed that this was something that would be affecting all users, but it's been going on for several days now and I don't see it mentioned in its own thread or as part of another one.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You've reached the Gots max, which is currently set at 2,500.
     
  3. devoured_by_vermin

    devoured_by_vermin Zealot (639) Mar 3, 2016 New York
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    Thanks Todd. I never knew there was a cap!
     
  4. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Congratulations! Now you should drink some of those beers.
     
  5. seakayak

    seakayak Pooh-Bah (1,823) May 20, 2007 Massachusetts
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    TL;DR: Why are Gots capped at 500 beers? Does anyone else do what I do (see below)?

    For many years I've adapted to a slight shortcoming of the BA database by checking all of my beers as "Gots" (not for trade), as well as by rating them. This way, I have the ability to see and sort both my scores, plus the overall BA rAvg scores for all of my beers. I do this because the BA rAvg scores do not appear on the same page as my scores for direct comparison and sorting.

    When I used to go to Gots, I was able to Sort By the BA rAvg scores, which if you ever wanted to easily see what the masses thought of beers you've had, was a very valuable metric. However, now that I've reached 500, I just noticed that the "Got It" button next to the "Want It" button on a new beer is "grayed out" so that I cannot click it. When I looked at my Gots list, I saw for the first time, the following message at the top: "Gots max (500) reached. If you wish to add certain beers you'll need to remove some existing ones."

    Just like all of you, my scores do not match the BA rAvg scores. My scores tell me what I like; but if you want to see what the masses like among beers you've had (say to buy something for a gathering of other people, for example), then I could Sort By BA rAvg, and search out what was well-rated, and decide what to buy.

    My questions are, then:
    -Is this a new change to the BA database functionality, or were Gots always set at 500 max?
    -Why are the Gots capped at 500 beers?
    -Does anyone else use the "Gots" button to track BA rAvg scores, the way I do?
    -And finally (although not really a request, but a "wish-list" item): Will BA rAvg scores ever appear on the same page alongside our own scores, for comparison and sorting?

    p.s. It's an amazing time we live in, where we can have such sophisticated research capabilities about beer. Respect Beer!
     
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  6. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    For someone this into data management and sorting, I'd think it would be easier to create a spreadsheet for yourself with all the data you're looking at, and just add your new beers to it as you go, instead of going about this odd way of using the database here. You can then add more criteria as time goes by as well.

    Or, as you suggest, as far as a site enhancement, we could always use more datapoints on our Beers list, if feasible. I've always wanted to be able to sort by State, as well as see more data on the Top beers list.
     
  7. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Very interesting. I've never once thought about using the "gots" feature for data gathering.

    Just the other day a forum member was complaining about maxing out his wants list, which was set to 2,500. How many sit and page through 2,500 beers to determine if a trade is feasible? A copy & paste list would work better, or even a Google Document that the other trader could ctrl+f to search out certain breweries, styles, etc. Perhaps this post (which Todd replied to saying he was wondering why it was even set so high) meant they lowered the limit for personal lists..?

    I can see why BA would cap "gots" or any other personal metric at a lower count. This site isn't designed for personal data extraction. It's a resource for consumers to learn about beer, which includes beer reviews/ratings. While I would love to see more data metrics being tracked individually (sorting via state, rAvg, style, etc. would be insanely nice), it's not the intended goal of this site.
     
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  8. seakayak

    seakayak Pooh-Bah (1,823) May 20, 2007 Massachusetts
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    If anyone is confused about what I'm talking about, you could click into my Beers and look at my Gots, then sort by rAvg. Pretty cool, huh?
     
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  9. scream

    scream Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin
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    @seakayak your profile shows your gots at 505 now
     
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  10. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Sure, but that's not what the Gots list is really for. It's for letting people know what beer you have, or can get, for trading purposes. For the purpose you're using it for, a personal spreadsheet is probably a better tool.
     
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  11. seakayak

    seakayak Pooh-Bah (1,823) May 20, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Yes, apparently my 506th was the final straw, but the message said the max was 500.
     
  12. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Perhaps they lowered the max limit on 'gots', 'for trade', and 'wants'?

    @Todd
     
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  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Gots had a max of 2,500, which was ridiculously high. It was recently dropped to 500, which is still quite high.

    I highly doubt most people have more than 500 individual beers in their cellar or fridge (or to trade), let alone up to 2,500. Hell, even most stores don't carry that kind of a selection.

    And it seems that many were using Gots to track the beers that they've tried (or other), which is not what Gots is for. You should be rating and reviewing the beers that you've tried.
     
  14. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I appreciate the devotion to avocation shown by so many. It occurs to me why I never became a CPA or accountant, mainly because this parcing seems to me like re-defining what the definition of is is or discovering that truth is not truth, but alternative facts. But it is interesting.
     
  15. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Users will find a way to meet their needs as bastardize a system before asking for a feature. That said, based on other requests for data-geeked functions, I doubt it would be made available soon.

    Fairly ingenious workaround, but I just don’t see it being an often enough used function. Either way, cheers, OP!
     
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  16. seakayak

    seakayak Pooh-Bah (1,823) May 20, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Just to clarify - I was not using Gots to track the beers I've had - I was rating my beers just like we're supposed to (11 years here, not a noob). But, I was also clicking each beer I rated as a "Got" so that I could also sort my beers by BA rAvg score. I'm surprised that others haven't even considered seeing these two scores side-by-side.
     
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  17. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I just rely on the percentage deviation number - never really thought about having the specific scores on each next to each other.

    I use gots to track several things including beers I've got and beers I've had, but haven't entered a review on the site. It does the job.
     
  18. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    No offense to the community, but once I have tried and rated (reviewed) a beer I don't really care how the community rated the beer.
     
  19. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I got that from your post, but it's still not how Gots should be used.
    I'm surprised that no one has ever requested it, because it was a simple update to make. We were already pulling your rating to calculate the rDev, so adding it took a few minutes.

    Columns are similar to brewery beer lists; Score and Yours when you're viewing your own list; Score and Rating when viewing another user's list.

    It's been added to Places, too.

    Enjoy.
     
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  20. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Looks good!
     
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