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Grapes in beer: Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by busternuggz, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. busternuggz

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    After trying and being disappointed by Odell Amuste yesterday, I started thinking about the semi-trend of using grapes in beer. With the exception of Rosso e Marrone, I don't think I've ever had a beer with grapes in it that I liked (and the grape was pretty subtle in Rosso). I feel like Noble Rot might be good, and it's got decent reviews; but I'm hesitant to pay that DFH price tag, and I'm pretty sure I'd like any number of cheaper, non-grape saisons more.

    What does BA think? Anyone out there just loving the shit out of some grape beers?
     
  2. DogfishJoe

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    noble rot is awesome.
     
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    don Q, vigneronne, lamvinus

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    Noble Rot and Midas Touch are both pretty tasty. Ska's Hibernal Vinifera turned out surprisingly well. The Blue Moon 750s (Proximity and Impulse) were okay, but nothing I'll ever drink again.

    Though I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty of other examples, I've generally been pleased with the use of grapes thus far, and I look forward to future examples crossing my lips. As with any beer-related ingredient trend, everything depends on how it's used, so there's bound to be an awful lot of variation, both in terms of quality and especially in terms of opinions.
     
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    SKa's Vinifera Stout is pretty tasty
     
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    I third Ska Vinifera Stout. Really nice
     
  7. busternuggz

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    Yeah the grape sours are working out the best I think. I'm told Pinotlambicus was pretty good too but I didn't get to try it.
     
  8. busternuggz

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    Never cared for Midas Touch, which also makes me hesitant to try Noble Rot...I'll probably try it if I see it on tap somewhere but I don't think I'm getting a bottle of it.
     
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    I loved vertical epic '10
     
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    Midas Touch is a favorite, and call me crazy but I thoroughly enjoyed DFH Red and White too. I have yet to try Noble Rot. From the couple i have tried, i find I like the layer of flavor the grape provides. I imagine it could be totally overdone, but I think grapes can add a nice touch if handled deftly.
     
  11. busternuggz

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    You guys reminded me I had a can of this waiting in the fridge : P

    Just busted it out...yeah it's pretty good, better than Amuste. Still not getting me on the grape train but thanks for weighing in : )
     
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    Just recently dd Pinotlambicus and Oui Oui side by side...both were good but I preferred Oui Oui better. Also did an '02 Vigerrone and it was the bomb, very nice grape bitterness.
     
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    Social Kitchen, a brewpub in SF, just made a saison with semillon grapes that is very tasty indeed
     
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    Bring them on.

    Had Framboise Noir from Draai Laag recently and thought the Nebbiolo grapes worked well (feel free to check my review). Cantillon Saint Lamvinus is basically my favorite beer; I remember the employees, and myself, at Spuyten Duyvil coming in for a few days after a special event to try to kill the cask (pretty sure it was a cask) that was on.

    I think, like any other special ingredient in a beer, some brewers do it very well, and many seem not quite sure what to do.
     
  15. busternuggz

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    Yeah I wanted to like Red and White but it just didn't do it for me. I know a lot of people like Midas too, but it just tastes too much like stale sweet wine to me. If it makes you fell less "crazy" I actually kinda liked Black & Red : )

    I really expected at least a few grape beer haters. Maybe I'm the weird one for not liking them...
     
  16. busternuggz

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    Indeed.
     
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    I tried grapes in beer once. Nearly choked to death on the damn things.

    Not recommended without a straw.
     
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    I think one major thing to keep in mind with these kind of ales is that some brew isn't exactly just "drinking" brew. They are like the old world wines. They are but another ingredient in an even larger scope of flavor and texture brought about by pairing the proper wine(beer(or winebeer))with the prop dish. A Gigondas from Rhone, France is one thing just savored from a glass, but is another expeirence entirely when paired with a lamb dish or cold cuts and cheeses. Positive Contact was an exceptional beer. I tried waiting for the right meal, but the right meal didn't happen fast enough so I cracked it and as soon as I finished my first swallow I thought, "Damnit! I knew I should have waited for a couple days so I could bring home some Oxtail or something!"
     
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    I think one major thing to keep in mind with these kind of ales is that some brew isn't exactly just "drinking" brew. They are like the old world wines. They are but another ingredient in an even larger scope of flavor and texture brought about by pairing the proper wine(beer(or winebeer))with the prop dish. A Gigondas from Rhone, France is one thing just savored from a glass, but is another experience entirely when paired with a lamb dish or cold cuts and cheeses. Positive Contact was an exceptional beer. I tried waiting for the right meal, but the right meal didn't happen fast enough so I cracked it and as soon as I finished my first swallow I thought, "Damnit! I knew I should have waited for a couple days so I could bring home some Oxtail or something!"



    I realize Positive Contact isn't a grape hybrid, but you see my point.
     
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    Not quite: Cascade The Vine.
     
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    I loved the Trois Dames L'Amoureuse No. 2 Rouge until it was gone. (Brewed with Pinot Noir)
     
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    Grapes great in sours, also good with Nelson hops
     
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    The Lost Abbey brews a dubble with raisins called Lost and Found Ale. I bought it out of curiosity and fell in love with it. Haven't been able to find it in quite a while though.
     
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    Noble Rot is nothing like Midas Touch at all. I too don't care for MT a great deal but I can tell you the two are very different. NR really is like a champagne beer.
     
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    Hangar 24 Vinaceous.
    Old ale with grapes and aged in wine barrels

    Cheers!
     
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    I am down with grapes.
     
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    Noble rot is excellent
     
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    Viognier is a great grape for beer. And red wine. And white wine. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, viognier.
     
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    No mention yet of Allagash Victor, or Victoria, both excellent concoctions. Cheers for the night BA'ers
     
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    I can see that. I can't really think of any pairings that would have saved Amuste or Midas Touch for me, but good point.
     
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  33. busternuggz

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    I loved Mikkeller Nelson Sauvin Brut! It's wine barrel aged rather than brewed with grapes though so I didn't count it.
     
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    I second this. Midas Touch is alright, but I enjoyed Noble Rot.
     
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