Gypsy Brewing/brewers

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  1. Schwarzvald

    Schwarzvald Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 North Carolina

    Just looking to read up on some of the best Gypsy Brewers and their beers. Mikkeller, Still Water, and Evil Twin..Ect. Those are the ones i know of, but was wonder what others there are? And i was wondering if there are any American Gypsy brewers? Anything that i can read or watch would be awsome!
    Cheers!
     
  2. Schwarzvald

    Schwarzvald Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 North Carolina

    Thanks man!
     
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  3. Schwarzvald

    Schwarzvald Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 North Carolina

    Yea most of that iv read. But just wanted to see if anyone had some sites on the way the business is conducted and what not.
     
  4. beerme411

    beerme411 Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2010 California

    You mean like this? Read thier site for more info or just send an email to [email protected]

    "Just as tenant farmers rent land and farm it themselves, we rent a brewery, formulate and brew our beers ourselves. So: we are tenant brewers. This is different to contract brewing, where a head brewer from the host brewery brews and/or formulates the beer for someone else. The important thing about tenant brewing is that we supply all the brewday labor, without help from other professional brewers. This makes us different from just about everyone else you’ll meet."

    http://prettybeer.com/wp/our-story/have-you-no-brewery/

    Edit:From The Atlantic about pretty things. Look at the brewery press page for more articles
     
  5. Schwarzvald

    Schwarzvald Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 North Carolina

    Hey
    Hey man this is pretty cool! i will be contacting them. But im looking more for how the whole "gypsy" or "contract" brewing works. Maybe they will be of help for my question. thanks man!
     
  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    In the US, the legal terminology for what some call "Gypsy brewing" is called "Alternating Proprietorship". It is mostly a tax issue, and based on the ownership of raw materials, packaging and finished beer, and is not dependent on who actually brews the beer, contrary to those who use the term will often claims:
    Many contract brewers create their own recipes and employ their own brewmasters - classic examples being Boston Beer Co. (formerly) and Pabst.

    Beyond the legal definition, wiithin the industry AP's are considered a form of Contract Brewing, as this quote from the "Contract Brewing" entry in Oxford Companion to Beer written by Garrett Oliver,. Besides being the book's editor, Oliver also knows something about contract brewing given his brewmaster position at the Brooklyn Brewery, which has always used F. X. Matt for a good portion of it's production:

     
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  7. Schwarzvald

    Schwarzvald Initiate (0) May 1, 2013 North Carolina

    Ok. so if i have my own beer that i have created and want to brew it, bottle it, market it, and package it. But want to use another persons equipment, and share in the profit...what would i be called? This would be joint venture, but id be using the other breweries equipment and putting thier name on my product along with my name.
     
  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, the procedure is outlined in that TTB Circular 2005-2 and at the TTB's WHAT IS AN ALTERNATING PROPRIETORSHIP? You either have or apply for a brewers license, and then you and the host brewery submit applications for AP status. (Probably you'd see a lawyer who specializes in dealing with the TTB).

    "Share in the profit"
    does not sound like a legal AP, though.
     
  9. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Is the host brewery going to also share in the taxation of the product, raw material cost, cost of bottling, marketing?
    Is the host brewery going to allow the joint product to attach their name to an untested product?

    Everything about your plan up to the joint venture and profit sharing sounds like "AP/Tenent Brewing". You are renting space and equipment and you want to cut into your own profit after by sharing with the host brewery? That is like renting out office space and paying rent then giving your landlord a percentage of your profit ontop sounds like a nice way to go belly up quickly.
     
  10. GetCraft

    GetCraft Aspirant (297) Jan 8, 2014 Massachusetts

    Check out http://www.getcraft.co . We're building a business based on the concept. We've done a lot of research and I'd be willing to share some of the info with you.
     
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