Harsh Imperial Stout

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  1. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    I brewed an imperial stout from this kit back in early April. The OG was 1.085 and got down to 1.024 I used two packets of US-05.

    I've had it in a keg aging in the fridge for almost three months now and I took my first taste tonight. The smell was good, the taste on the tongue upfront was good, but on the swallow it was a bit harsh, not horrible but definitely noticeable.

    I know generally imperial stouts need age on them, but is that what's normal for ones that haven't matured yet?
     
  2. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Probably going to need more information on Mash set up as well as fermentation set up. A possibility is the mash ph. A mash ph that is way off could cause all the roasty malts to create a harshness to it. Also, my harsh definition might be different than yours.
     
  3. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (2,023) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    harsh as in alcohol-harsh, or too roasty harsh?
     
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  4. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Did brew day go smoothly? Could be tannins-harsh? The ~80 IBUs also seem pretty high for an 8% stout, but maybe that's just me.
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What temp did you ferment at? How did you control your temps?
     
  6. Cadmando18

    Cadmando18 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2015 Oregon

    I've had home brew stouts start out harsh and after bottling it and tasting it months later the harshness had gone away. My OG was 68 and final was 16 (I think, if I'm wrong on that I'll let you know after looking into my notes). This was bottle aged however. At first taste about 2 weeks after bottling we noticed a bit of a harsh taste. I set the cases of this beer in my shop where it stays about 60 to 72 all the time. Months later I tried another one and it was really good! 2 months after that and I didn't want to give anymore away, they are all mine!!
     
  7. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    Mash was done at 152 degrees. I did the flavor grains separately in 160 degree water for 30 minutes with no heat on before adding it to the wort during sparging. I added ph stablizer to the mash water before dough in to set it to 5.2. Brew day went over without issues.

    As far as roasty vs. alcohol, its hard to say. On the tongue its just fine, its in the swallow that its a bit harsh. That might be alcohol.

    For fermentation it was fermented at room temperature between 60-67 degrees. It's aged in a refrigerated keg for the last 10-12 weeks.
     
  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Given the 60-67 room temperature, your wort could have been in the mid-70s. If that happened early in the fermentation process, and given the gravity, you are probably looking at fusel alcohols. This might be a beer that improves over time or you may be looking at a "blending" beer. Or worst case, this might be a drain pour.
     
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  9. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    Give it time. All big beers need time anyway. After six months it might taste bad, but after one year, it could taste amazing! Hopefully it'll improve for you.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I'm sure it will improve some with time...but I find most beers with Black Patent harsh (sub in Black Barley for the Patent next time and see if you like it better)
     
  11. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    This won't answer your question, but here's note on 5.2 stabilizer:


    https://sites.google.com/site/brunwater/water-knowledge There is a section that discusses 5.2.

    SPECIAL NOTE: Five Star 5.2 Stabilizer is indicated by its manufacturer to "lock in your mash and kettle water at a pH of 5.2 regardless of the starting pH of your water". Evidence by homebrewers indicates that this product does not produce a mash pH in the preferred room-temperature range of 5.3 to 5.5. That evidence shows this product does produce some pH moderation in waters with high Residual Alkalinity. However, the mash pH tends to center around 5.8 (room-temperature measurement). While 5.8 pH is acceptable, it is at the upper end of the desirable mashing range. The evidence also shows that in waters with low Residual Alkalinity, this product shows little effect on mash pH. Since Five Star 5.2 Stabilizer is a compound with high sodium content, its use will elevate the sodium concentration in the brewing water. High sodium content can be undesirable from a taste standpoint in beer. Proper alkalinity control of mashing and sparging water may produce more acceptable brewing results for most brewers than with the use of 5.2 Stabilizer.

    Taken from here.

    It would be beneficial to either build your beers from RO/Distilled or to get a water report.
     
  12. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    Following up on this. I had some yesterday after three months of additional aging and the difference is huge. The finish has smoothed out considerably. I gave some to my roommate who'd tried it with me 3 months ago and he agreed that it was well within the "drinkable" range, whereas before it was hard to drink due to the rough swallow. Looks like the main thing it needed was some more age.
     
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