Harvesting yeast from a conical

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  1. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I've got a ten gallon batch of Mocktoberfest Ale that's been in primary for about a week, fermented with 2 packets of US-05. I took a sample from the racking port and noticed that there's a ton of sediment at that level. Presumably, the trub has largely collected at the bottom by now and this is mostly yeast. Is the yeast at this level 'better' than the yeast I traditionally collect from the dump valve on the bottom? Should I expect it to be healthier (it didn't crap out as fast as the stuff on the bottom), less healthy (it worked longer than the stuff on the bottom), cleaner (less trub), or simply less flocculant?
     
  2. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Typically the yeast at the bottom of the fermenter are dead or damn near it. Drain that thick mass out until you get a nice creamy consistency as that will be the healthiest of the population. Once it thins out and you're starting to pull beer out with it you're good. Cool it down and let everything settle out completely and viola! Conicals are so nice, I've got my first batch in mine righ now, just harvested yeast last night actually!

    Cheers
     
  3. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I've harvested and reused yeast from the dump valve just as you describe. The reason for my question is that I seem to have an awful lot of it at the racking port and was wondering if there would be any advantage to harvesting it from there instead of the more traditional method. Maybe this is a direct path to the good stuff. Just wondering, is all. FWIW, I drew about 2 oz from there today into a 1/2 pint glass. I added about 1/4 tsp of table sugar. Two hours later, the glass is full of thick foam with that unmistakable aroma of fermenting yeast (I'm thinking of making some bread with this).
     
  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The middle is what you want. Bottom is the most flocculant, top is the least.

    I dump the trub after a day or so out the bottom port. The racking arm on mine can pivot, and you can get a lot of the middle out with it. Might have to move it around when racking.

    I have had success pulling from the bottom port too.
     
  5. LeeryLeprechaun

    LeeryLeprechaun Savant (1,094) Jan 30, 2011 Colorado
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    I imagine you could get away with it. The fear is that the yeast will mutate over time and some of it will become more or less floculant. If you are going to use it just one more time I would not be worried that it had mutated so much that it would cause a problem with flocculation in the second batch. However, if you are going to use it ten or fifteen more times and continued to take it from the top then I could see a problem.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think you're confusing genetic mutation with selection among already existing traits. There's nothing about selecting more or less flocculant cells that is going to cause mutations at a higher than normal rate. It will simply change the average flocculation traits of the population as a whole.
     
  7. LeeryLeprechaun

    LeeryLeprechaun Savant (1,094) Jan 30, 2011 Colorado
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    The reason that there are the different traits to begin with is due to genetic mutations. I am saying that in the population in a smack pack or vial there is more likely than not some yeast with mutations, but that those mutations are most likely small and that there is not yet a sub-population of incredibly low floculators, if anything the yeast are most likely high floculaters because whoever packaged them was able to harvest them which probably means they floculated well. And that of the mutations in the population selecting some that floculated last will most likely not make a dramatic change to the new population after one pitching generation.
     
  8. goodbyesoberday

    goodbyesoberday Initiate (0) May 12, 2005 Australia

    In theory?

    Cleaner, yes. There will be less trub in the yeast from the racking port, which means happier yeast.
    Healthier, yes. If you haven't taken already any yeast off before cropping from your racking port then the yeast you will get is most likely to be the stuff that doesn't quit before the party's over, but doesn't stick around after hours like a bad smell.
    Simply less flocculent; definitely, eventually. Whether that's better or worse depends on how you like to run things in your brewery.

    According to theory though, these things make a bigger difference the more you reuse the yeast.

    Either way I'd harvest the yeast out of the racking port and dump the trubby poo off the bottom.
     
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