Has Craft Beer Jumped The Shark?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by t4h2c0, Sep 22, 2015.

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Has Craft Beer Jumped The Shark???

  1. yes, years ago

    5.1%
  2. yes

    21.1%
  3. not sure

    9.5%
  4. no, not yet

    24.8%
  5. hell no

    39.5%
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  1. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
    In Memoriam

    Exactly, the critical statistic is not the current failure rate but the failure rate among breweries 2 years and older.
     
  2. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I answered no, but I have no idea what jumped the shark means.
     
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  3. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    Your point is poignant, but the 20 year contrast you have chosen to make your point is dialing back the clock to well before the shift. I too remember the craft of 1995 and before that...and it was a bit shit....but that doesn't mean some riduclous shit is not occuring (e.g, upstarts coming out of the gate with $29.99 bombers or $12.99 twelve-ounce bretted saisons) today.
     
  4. Fargrow

    Fargrow Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Michigan

    No way!

    *Takes sip of porter brewed with smoked pig parts using yeast from the brewer's beard*
     
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  5. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    My point was simply a reply to the claim you sometimes hear in threads like these that the olden days were so much better. Fine -- change the 20 year timeframe -- was 10 years ago better? 5 years ago? What I'm saying is that, even acknowledging the craziness out there -- $30 bombers, $15/12oz saison, whatever you like -- today is still pretty darn good if you want it to be. Last night, I picked up a mix a six of fantastic IPAs, all 4-6 weeks fresh at most, for $10. I happen to be on a hop kick at the moment, or I would've filled the pack with stouts and browns and lagers, of which there were many fine examples. The point is: selection is great, sure there's issues (crowded shelf space, zany "innovative" beers being proffered by baseless upstarts, yadda, yadda, yadda), but those, at least in my neck of the woods, aren't precluding me from enjoying the many fruits of craft beer -- i.e., tasty, fresh beer.
     
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  6. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    Absolutely....better times across the board, but that won't stop the internet's pulse (hate sporting)
     
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  7. TheMachoMan

    TheMachoMan Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2013 Kentucky

    To me it's like salsa was about ten years ago. All of a sudden there's like a hundred different kinds/brands, and many failed and disappeared. I'm in the Chicago area and it seems way saturated to me, and surely many of these startup breweries are not gonna last five years. The other point people are making, somewhat, is that too many try to do too many things. Nothing wrong with producing 3-6 really good simple beers. After a certain point there's not that much difference in different IPA types, to me, so just stick to one that's good, make sure it's consistent, work on the branding and run it into the ground. That goes double for the fruity/experimental variations, but that's just me. There are still a ton of breweries around here I haven't even tried (Pipeworks for one) mainly because there are too many choices. A neighbor friend recently opened a brewery/taproom and I fear he's gonna have a hard time differentiating himself from such a crowd.
     
  8. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Hey, I liked the episodes where Fonzie Jumped over the shark. Over course I was 11 at the time.
     
  9. ianskate

    ianskate Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2010 New York

    My Imperial Pumpkin Citra Lager (brewed with pumpkin puree and released in May) disagrees!
     
  10. HeislerGold

    HeislerGold Zealot (577) Oct 19, 2013 Michigan

    The only thing that has jumped the shark here is the term "jumped the shark" and that happened years ago. The state of craft beer is just fine, and yes it's okay to use the term craft beer. It's very easy to know when a consumable good has outstayed its welcome - people stop buying.

    The great thing about the current age of beer is that if a beer or a brewery takes a nosedive in quality or sells part or all of the company to an entity that you may not approve of, there will always be someone else waiting in the wings that will gladly take your business and offer you better beer.
     
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  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    Damn, I hate it, but that Polish salsa for pierogies never caught on!
     
  12. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah

    Last time I was in there, talking to J.C., the plan was to be able to expand retail and draft accounts using the new brewery. They aren't going out of state (or even past Worcester,) from what I understand, but you should be able to find Trillium beer - at least the basics: FPPA, Trillium, Congress St, - in many places within the 495 belt.
     
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  13. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
    Pooh-Bah

    I think you're roughly accurate about the typical lineups. I'm just exactly on the other side of that preference.
     
  14. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    I don't think you have to choose! That's my point. Still lots of wheats/pale ales/Irish reds even (Fate has one on right now!). In addition to those, there's other stuff for folks with other preferences.

    Not suggesting this is the golden age of beer -- I don't even know what the golden age would look like. I just happen to think the pluses outweigh the minuses.
     
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  15. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    problem with producing just a few great beers is that people may lose interest, since variety is what keeps this ship sailing
     
  16. Tsar_Riga

    Tsar_Riga Grand Pooh-Bah (3,349) Sep 9, 2013 Minnesota
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    The notion of craft beer as a whole doing anything seems overly reductive. There are great beers out there, and solidly run businesses to boot, but some people have lost perspective. Not atypical.
     
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  17. jarbraj

    jarbraj Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2014 Georgia

    Plus the stuff that pushes boundaries makes the rest of beer better
     
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  18. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Hopefully this means Artaic won't completely sell out in 1.5 days even though it was released in the middle of the week (still salty about that).
     
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  19. chcfan

    chcfan Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2008 California

    I actually did prefer 6 years ago mostly because you could actually buy things like Cantillon, BCBS, KBS, Pliny...without all the trouble and I think the overall quality was better. On the flip side, a number of great breweries I love didn't exist 6 years ago and many areas like my hometown of Cincinnati have actually blossomed from awful in the late aughts to very solid places to be as a beer geek now.
     
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  20. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Fair enough, my friend -- there are certainly gives and takes here.
     
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