Have IPAs Become Commoditized?

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  1. sixerofelixir

    sixerofelixir Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2009 Ohio

    I don't believe IPA is a commodity. For most consumers, brand recognition is a deciding purchasing factor, while lowest price is not a deciding purchasing factor.
     
  2. SrMonkey

    SrMonkey Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2008 Wisconsin

    It's a good analogy if you use the term commoditization rather than focus on commodity. As in, goods that were once considered in terms of unique merits and quality are viewed as generic and interchangeable. And I agree this goes for most common styles with the proliferation of brewers. Happened with ambers and pale ales, now with 20+ ipas to choose from most will be similar, so why pay a premium?
     
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  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Well, you can distinguish the copper from the zinc (97.5%) Ina penny. Just had today it.:wink:
     
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  4. tmbgnicu

    tmbgnicu Maven (1,280) Mar 15, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    I'm a little later than the rest of you guys to the IPA party, but I've noticed that every single brewery in the country does at least one IPA. Some are pretty good, some are so so, some are awful, and the select few(heady, 90min, enjoy by, 2hearted, hopslam, sculpin) are head and shoulders above the rest, so those are the ones I drink. It's hard not to notice all of the IPAs available at every bottle shop you go to, but like I said some are pretty good, some are so so, some are awful and ones I love, I drink.
     
  5. JFear

    JFear Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2014 Virginia

    The market is saturated with IPAs, as essentially every brewery has at least one in their lineup. While it is one of my favorite styles, it takes a hell of a lot for one to stick out to me these days, making the good ones really good. I can't remember the last time I was truly blown away by an IPA.
     
  6. Flashy

    Flashy Pooh-Bah (1,767) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont
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    Would have thought this to be.a troll but apparently not- let's enjoy beer more and handwring less.
     
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  7. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I think overall, American craft brewers have really improved ipas in recent years vs the ipas that were available 10 years ago. Heck even Sam Adams finally has a respectable ipa in the Rebel. Much better (still not great but ok) than any previous ipas they tried.
     
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  8. LightnerLiquorKS

    LightnerLiquorKS Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2013 Kansas

    I have found in general that the new "IPA" from a new brewery can be underwhelming to expert consumers. They think to themselves "there is no way this will be a... Pilny, or an X [<--- insert favorite 100pt IPA here.]" That is why it is important that people not just stick with the Imperial IPA or regular IPA of recognized and trusted brands. Being in the business, I sample a lot. As "hopfenunmaltz" said, give the "Oak Aged Rye" of a brand you don't know a try. Or try something like the Avery Twenty One. In this example, it's not even an IPA but is an Imperial Brown Ale (80+IBU?) ... these sort of styles are similar with hops and fun to try. They will simultaneously break the chains people feel that they are stuck in of the everyday IPA that they have had so many times. Also, I have some customers that have fallen in love with the RYE IPA style (think Schmaltz's Lenny's Rye I.I.P.A). Any of these "oddballs" most will find will expand their horizon with the style and give them hope for the future. Try combinations like "Le Freak" (Belgian Triple, Imperial IPA style) and just enjoy. Don't think too much! And always give the new brewery that you are able to get your hands on a try!
     
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  9. LightnerLiquorKS

    LightnerLiquorKS Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2013 Kansas

    Exactly! What he said!
     
  10. OldRickSputin

    OldRickSputin Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2014 Illinois


    No.
     
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  11. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    With an expanding populatation, mediocrity is bound to follow suit.
     
  12. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    To a degree, in that as the overall number of IPA's continues to grow exponentially so does the number of mediocre IPAs, and the number of IPAs with similar flavor profiles. But great new IPAs are being made as well, you just now have to sort through more mediocre ones to find the great ones. This applies for pretty much all popular beer styles IMO. But I certainly dont think that makes them commoditized to the degree that they all taste the same. In fact, I think theres more diversity in the IPA style then ever. You just have to make an effort to find it.
     
  13. westlaunboy

    westlaunboy Pundit (882) Mar 31, 2010 Washington
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    Yeah, a lot of people in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what OP means by "commodity".

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commoditization

    ...the process by which goods that have economic value and are distinguishable in terms of attributes (uniqueness or brand) end up becoming simple commodities in the eyes of the market or consumers.​

    If someone had access to the data, it would be interesting to see average ratings and standard deviations of all the beers on this site broken down by style. That would help give you some idea of an answer.
     
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  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    The tricky thing with IPAs is that the better ones sell and have quick turnover ensuring fresh beer. The others sit and gather dust, they're not dated , not really popular etc. some wayward guy sees one of these slow movers and an average ipa might slip to old and awful, the guy hates it and the beer sucks. I see this with brews like Modus Avery and the like which are good IPAs, but old not so much. No date I don't buy unless it's a local offering I know to be fresh. With HDR flying off the shelves here I bet the turn around on most IPAs is much slower, do I buy Bells Two Hearted.
     
  15. guinness77

    guinness77 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,554) Jan 6, 2014 New York
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    Another "there's too much good beer out there, woe is me" thread.

    I wish to God some of you drank like more than 5 years ago.
     
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  16. Ri0

    Ri0 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin

    Let me know when the IPA outsells the American Lager. I believe it has a ways to go.
     
  17. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    No, and absolutely not. We have a very short attention span within a national and international distribution network to bolster it, and there are too many hop varietals and options with grain and adjuncts for the IPA to make it a one tor even two trick pony.
     
  18. makeminerandom

    makeminerandom Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    If the big boys ever bottled, sold, and marketed an IPA the way they do lagers, I'd be willing to bet it would do some major damage to the lager market share. The masses in the US drink swill lagers because they've been told and conditioned that that's what "beer" is.
     
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  19. BullDoza

    BullDoza Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2014 Texas

    I don't know. All I know is that as long as Hill Farmstead is doing their thing, everyone else has something to chase.
     
  20. MNBeer1017

    MNBeer1017 Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Minnesota

    Biff?
     
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