Hazed Ales

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  1. Heady978

    Heady978 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Massachusetts

    I'm trying to achieve a uniform cloudy consistency to my amarillo pale ale and am wondering if there are any tricks anyone could recommend. Dry hopping helps, but the results have been inconsistent. Thanks for any and all info!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't know why you'd want this, but here are some ideas...

    - Don't use any finings (including whirfloc/irish moss)
    - add a little flour to the boil
    - boil very gently to minimize hot break coagulation
    - don't vorlauf before running off your mash
    - add some wheat to the recipe
     
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  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Weirdness. We've got forum users who want to make hazy beers and forum users who want to make skunky beers. Maybe it's time for John Palmer to write How NOT to Brew.
     
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  4. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I've always found a decent bit of wheat can make anything not black/brown pretty darn cloudy without much effort.

    Use a yeast that doesn't flocc out well too.
     
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  5. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Yea... I am not sure why you would want this! Makes no sense to me but have fun with it!
     
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  6. Heady978

    Heady978 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Massachusetts

    Maybe my affinity for hazed ales is a New England thing - with all the great unfiltered hoppy beers, one becomes accustomed to the soft mouthfeel and consistency. Thanks for your help!
     
  7. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Id guess that was yeast rather than chill haze, these beers arent cask conditioned are they?

    use a non-flocculating yeast
     
  8. Heady978

    Heady978 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Massachusetts

    No cask conditioning, just ultra fresh and heavily dry hopped. Thanks for the tip!
     
  9. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    A couple of tablespoons of whole wheat flour at flameout will give you a permanent protein haze.
     
  10. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    yup my money is on yeast. I love the yeasty profile of an EIPA or EPA when fresh, and IMO the beer is totally different when it clears up. In my kegerator when this happens I tend to give the keg a swirl
     
  11. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Instead of adding wheat flour, why not just add ~10% wheat malt? It'll haze slightly and help with head retention. Win-win.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would assume rocdoc1 recommended wheat flour rather than wheat malt because (unmalted) flour has more proteins, and thus more haze, than malted wheat. It's an old witbier trick.
     
  13. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    i assume since your name is "Heady978" - you might be aiming for a beer that looks like Heady Topper? i'm not sure why that beer looks the way it does. i believe it's some combination of dry hop particulate and yeast. to replicate that effect - maybe suck up a bunch of stuff at the bottom of your fermenter at bottling, then swirl before serving...
     
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  14. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    Instead of adding anything, I'd turn your beer fridge down to 32F. Get some chill haze. Will clear up as the beer warms... but at least it won't taste nasty.
     
  15. Heady978

    Heady978 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Massachusetts

    Haha "heady" is a versatile word, but HT definitely informed my naming decision...
     
  16. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Yep,
    haze from wheat malt will eventually settle out-my second keg of hefeweizen is usually crystal clear after a couple of months in the fridge, but with the flour it will stay milky. There are also starches from unmalted wheat(flour) that contribute top the haze.
     
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  17. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    I was under the impression that the haze you're referring too in Heady and other hoppy beers is "Hop Haze", where the hop oils remain in suspension in the final product. I could be wrong though. Also that "creamy" mouthfeel from Heady and/or Hillfarmstead beer is attributed to the Conan yeast, and not related to hop haze. I'm not convinced you are going to get what you are looking for just be adding flour to the boil.
     
  18. Heady978

    Heady978 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Massachusetts

    You're probably right. I've been meaning to harvest some of the Conan from a can of Heady but haven't gotten around to it. Cheers
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This assumes there are significant proteins/tannins to come out of solution and cause the haze. With most well made beers, there shouldn't be.
     
  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Appearance is over-rated...I've had many an ugly IPA...clear beers are kind of like dicks with ties : )

    Did I say that?
     
    #20 GreenKrusty101, Nov 12, 2013
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