Head retention question

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by slayerhellfire, Mar 27, 2012.

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  1. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    Ok so I cracked open one of my oatmeal stouts yesterday and I noticed that my head retention is a bit well I don't know what the word would be low, my carbonation is slightly low but not to a point where you notice it, at least for a oatmeal stout I think it's dead on. Was wondering if I should put the bottles in a warmer room right now they been sitting on a hardwood floor at like 64-66 degrees maybe 68 maybe...any input? I used table sugar to prime and used Tastybrew to calculate the ounces. But the beer taste great, it taste like a oatmeal stout but needs that head!!
     
  2. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

  3. Finn

    Finn Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2003 Pennsylvania

    Hmm, for me head retention hasn't seemed to be a carbonation-only issue. I've brewed some beers with fairly high carbonation that don't retain much head. How long has it been bottle conditioning for? what strain of yeast did you use?
     
  4. quirkzoo

    quirkzoo Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2011 Colorado

    There is a lot of helpful information here:

    http://brewwiki.com/index.php/Head_Retention

    Beyond that a recipe and description of your process would be helpful, there are so many factors that go into head retention that it would be impossible to diagnose your problem with the current information. And even with all the information in the world a conclusive diagnosis is still difficult.
     
  5. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Did you toast the oats? Ever time Ive used toasted oats the head retention is nill
     
  6. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    about a week and a half, I used 1028 london ale
     
  7. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    no I didn't toast my oats
     
  8. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    recipe as fallowed

    All Grain Recipe oatmeal stout 1.055/1.014 (5 Gal)
    Grain Bill (70% Efficiency assumed)

    8 lbs. - 2 Row Pale Malt
    1 lb. - Flaked Oats
    1/2 lb. - Crystal Malt (60L)
    1/2 lb. - Chocolate Malt
    1/2 lb. - Roasted Barley
    Hop Schedule (31 IBU)

    2 oz. - East Kent Goldings - 60 min.

    Wyeast 1028 London Ale - 1800 ml starter
    Mash/Sparge/Boil

    Mash at 155° for 60 min.
    Batch Sparge as usual
    Boil for 60 minutes
    Cool and ferment at 65° to 68°

    I will ferment 2 weeks and bottle, this will be my 2nd AG batch Iam useing 1.25 quarts to a pound of grain
     
  9. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Was your final gravity actually 1.014, and was your mash temp actually 155?
     
  10. Finn

    Finn Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2003 Pennsylvania

    I think in another week or two you could then assume it's carbed up as far as it will go. Sometimes they can take longer than a week and a half depepnding on the circumstances.

    Also, is there simply ZERO head retention? Does it seem flat? Some beers, even though they are carbonated well just aren't gonna have much retention, although you will usually at least see a little wisp around the outside surface of the beer.
     
  11. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Don't forget the glassware. If you have any dish detergent residue/film in the glasses, it will kill any head the beer may have. To be honest I find that best glassware are ones that are handwashed and thoroughly rinsed.
     
  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    So confused by your question.

    Are you suggesting that he purposely is trying to misdirect us so that we can't help him? Or that he can't use either a thermometer or a hydrometer correctly and that could be the issue?
     
  13. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    No, just that he might post his recipe rather than his process. It just looked copied and pasted from a website. But it wouldn't surprise me if the OPs mash temp was way too low and he started to break up some of the proteins in the beer that aid in head retention. So if the numbers were what the beer was supposed to be and not actually what the beer is, there are more questions to be asked.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I'm not clear on the problem. When you poured, was there adequate foam that then just disappeared too quickly? Or was it just never there? The former would be a retention problem, and would be related to the composition of your beer. The latter would likely be a carbonation problem.
     
  15. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I got ya now. Especially considering he posted "assumed" for the efficiency. I guess it could be the recipe and not the results. Thanks for clarifying.
     
  16. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    I copied it from my documents on my computer and pasted that's my actual recipe that I brewed and there is some head retention but it seems to go away after a few seconds or so
     
  17. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    Results were very close effeciency was prob 68-70 percent my post boil was actually higher
     
  18. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    1.060 effeciency as far as I remember
     
  19. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Did you actually measure your mash temperature with a thermometer?
     
  20. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    No I took that reading after I cooled the wort
     
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