Hello and low temperature fermentation question

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  1. aopisa

    aopisa Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2014 Vermont

    Hello Everyone-

    After a 20 year hiatus I have decided to get back into brewing. In the past I had worked my way up to full mash brewing. I have forgotten just about everything. I did find my Dave Line and Dave Miller books. Never cared too much for the Papazian book after I found the other guys, but I will give that a perusal just to brush up.

    I think I will start by going back to beginning with an extract recipe with some added grains steeped into the wort to make it easy on myself.

    I enjoy ales, porters and stouts more than anything else. Back in the day I lived in an apartment where heat was included. I now live in a house in Vermont. Winters can get quite cold here and I keep the heat pretty low to save money on oil. I also supplement heating with a wood stove. The temperature swings can be pretty dramatic since I turn the thermostat way down at night and dampen down the stove. So, I would guess that the average temperature range is low-50's to low 60's at best, maybe a little warmer near the wood stove.

    So, is there a strain of ale yeast that can handle these temps? Or am I relegated to lagers? I can always find a colder place like the basement if needed. Is there a lager recipe or yeast strain that might give me more of an ale character?

    Thanks in advance. I am excited to re-renter the hobby!
     
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  2. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I like the 34/70 dry lager yeast. I have fermented as low as 52 degrees to as high as 66 degrees with clean lager flavors. WLP810 is another I like. Others on this site have reported that WLP001 and WLP029 will ferment in the upper 50's. Good luck.
     
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  3. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    You could ferment at a higher temperature with a bit of effort and a modest investment. A heating belt combined with a temperature controller would let you raise the temperature of your fermenting vessel up to ale range. And if you're worried about wild temperature swings, maybe you could build an insulated plywood box to put the fermentor in? Slap some foam insulation boards on the inside and you'd probably have a much more stable fermenting environment for your beer.
     
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  4. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I agree with all this.

    There are yeasts that can ferment in that temperature range, but I think you'll get a lot better results if you find a way to stabilize your fermentation temperature in the low 60s. This would be relatively easy and cheap in your situation. Where people in warmer climates might have to invest in a refrigerator, you can get by with a heating pad/belt and a temperature controller. Some form of insulation would make it even better, but I think you could have excellent temp control with just those two items (for roughly $100 total).
     
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  5. HarleyRider

    HarleyRider Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2007 Connecticut

    You’re going to need to control the temp regardless of what that temp is. If the temp is going to changing day to night or hotter or colder days you’ll never be able to repeat any recipe. You could use a temp control unit. They’re like 50 60 bucks. Put the carboy in a chilly spot and wrap it with an electric blanket. You set the control at whatever temp range temp you want and turns the blanket on and off. Also use the same controller for lagering in a fridge/freezer.
    Controlling fermentation temps and being able to repeat process is the key to making good beers and being able to produce that same good beer again.

    Good luck
    Jay
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    you can go with California Common, Wyeast 2112 for now.

    you will need to control fermentation temps eventually, but 2112 will work for you. it is something of a work horse. it is also fairly dull imo. but it will make beer, and it wont go on strike if your temps dip into the 50s and then climb to the low 60s.

    that is a bit of a dead area for yeasts to be honest. go a bit lower and stay there and you great lager yeast conditions. but you need to get into the mid 60s and up to the low 70s (and stay there) for ale yeast to really do their stuff.

    it is much easier to add a bit of warmth (40 watt light bulb) then it is too take heat away (small fridge). so you've got that.
    Cheers.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Firstly, I think that @MLucky has a great idea of a heat belt/pad and a temperature controller. That is indeed a capital idea!

    A ale yeast that performs well at cool temperatures is Wyeast 1007. I have an Altbier that I am fermenting right now with 1007. The low end of the recommended fermentation temperature for that yeast is 55 degrees F. If you can maintain at least a temperature of 55 degrees F then this yeast is a good choice.

    Cheers!
     
  9. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    These yeast strains all have MIN fermentation temperatures between the low 50s and low 60s.

    Belgian Ale 1214
    Belgian Witbier 3944
    Brettan. Lambicus 3526
    British Cask Ale 1026
    California Lager 2112
    Copenhagen Lager WLP850
    Czech Budejovice Lager WLP802
    Czech Pils 2278
    European Ale 1338
    Fermentis US 56
    German Ale 1007
    German Bock Lager Yeast WLP833
    German Lager WLP830
    Irish Ale 1084
    Kölsch 2565
    Leuven Pale Ale 3538
    London Ale 1028
    Mexican Lager Yeast WLP940
    Muntons Premium Gold
    Muntons Standard Yeast
    North American Lager 2272
    Nottingham
    Oktoberfest/Märzen WLP820
    Old Bavarian Lager Yeast WLP920
    Pilsner Lager WLP800
    Safale S-04
    Safbrew S-33
    Safbrew T-58
    San Francisco Lager WLP810
    Scottish Ale 1728
    So. German Lager WLP838
    Thames Valley Ale 1275
    Thames Valley Ale II 1882
    Zurich Lager Yeast WLP885
     
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  10. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Welcome back.


    My favorite strain that I pull through the high 50s and low 60s is Wyeast Kolsch yeast. It's a hybrid yeast that I make a ton of Cream Ales, Kosch Biers, and Porters with. It's a clean fermenting yeast that can handle high ABV.

    Most importantly, I'd say that if your house swings in temps, you should look into a fermentation chamber or you should invest in a large Tupperware container to make a swamp cooler. You know what hates to change temperature? 30 gal of water around your fermenter. It can help you immensely with your brewing. You can use frozen two liters or an aquarium heater to help with temps. I'd say that one of my top three things to focus on as a brewer is consistent fermentation temperature.

    Cheers!

    Edit: I would steer clear of lager yeast strains if you cannot control fermentation temperatures within 2-4 degrees. Lagers tend to be process (temperature) oriented more so than ales, which are ingredient oriented. Both struggle without decent temperature control. With lagers it's pretty mandatory.
     
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  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Where did you get this list, Herb?! That's half the yeasts! :slight_smile: Personally, I tend to KISS and maybe pick 2 or 3 for the guy who hasn't done this since Papazian wrote his first book.
     
  12. aopisa

    aopisa Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2014 Vermont

    First, thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions.

    I have a few different hobbies and belong to other forums so I understand the spectrum between keeping it simple (and cheap) and going all out. Brewing is something that I enjoy, but not to the extent where I am going to be building a mini-brewery in my house. Heck, I don't even drink that much beer, I just like making it.

    I live in a small one story house, so just finding a place to put the carboy and blow-off is going to be a challenge in itself.

    I like the idea of a tub of water and aquarium heater. Perhaps I can live with that for the few days it takes to get through the fermentation stage.

    I did some testing yesterday. Interior daytime temps were about 64-65. It was about 60 when I woke up this morning. I was not burning wood. That would bring the temps up a few more degrees and also stabilize a little more. So, at least at this time of year I may be able to swing it with a hearty yeast, some simple insulation and an inexpensive way of keeping temps constant. I will probably need to hold off once we get into single and below zero weather as that is when the interior temps take a dive and have a wider hi-low range.
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    <.think-think-think> Where did I get that list <./think-think-think>
    Had it for years in my brew-log spreadsheet.

    Here maybe?
    http://byo.com/resources/yeast?style=3

    Or was it here?
    http://www.onebeer.net/yeaststrains_ale.html

    Def wasn't here (crappy formatting)
    http://tomwarnerphoto.com/ntblog/?page_id=977
    http://www.winemanager.com/slarsen/Beer/Opskrifter/Yeast_BYO.htm

    I was surprised by how many strains had low-end fermentation temperatures in the L50s.
     
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  14. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    @aopisa where are you in VT? Maybe we can meet sometime.

    Regarding your temperature situation, it's not as bad as it looks at first glance. A carboy of wort/beer has a lot of thermal mass. If your house is varying +/- 10F, the beer will likely only change 2-3 degrees, which is tolerable. As others have mentioned, you can do ale fermentations by using a cheap heating pad. For example, my basement sits around 60F year round (warmed by the boiler in winter). I can ferment saisons at 77F by wrapping heating pads around the carboys. If things get too warm you can use a cheap analog timer and adjust the on/off till you get the desired temperature. Kolsch yeast is a good choice for your situation and 1056 works well too, as does S-23 dry yeast (technically a lager but it is forgiving at slightly higher temps and makes a good pale ale or IPA (and a very nice strong porter), not too different from 1056.
     
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  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    If you happen to have a large cooler that will fit a bucket, it works perfectly when filled with water to maintain consistent temps. Basically what @inchrisin said above. If you don't have a large cooler then one of the "storage totes" from walmart, lowes, ... works as well. Way easier than building something. I have managed to keep lager temps pretty well in my basement by swapping out some frozen water bottles in the morning and evening.
     
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  16. aopisa

    aopisa Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2014 Vermont

    Thanks again everyone. Still putting together some of my old equipment and creating the list for things that need to be updated/replaced.
     
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