Help bottling my first sour

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  1. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Brewed a tart of darkness clone almost a year ago now. Have not removed the lid from my 6.5 gallon glass wide mouth fermentor at all. Thought bottling would be the easy part.

    Suggestions to protect from oxygen? looks like its inevitable

    sour bottling checklist?

    This is scary........
     
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  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm new to sours myself. If you need to you can pitch half a satchel of US 05 into the fermenter to get you cell count up. I believe that the bugs have a longer shelf life in the fermenter than sac. yeast. When you transfer over to a bottling bucket you can suck up a little bit of the trub to get your count up as well. I'm sure others will chime in with their bottling experiences.

    Rinse everything with 1:10 bleach and then water water water before you go back to a sac. strain.
     
  3. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    So no worries bottling bucket just like say...an IPA?
     
  4. Theortiz01

    Theortiz01 Initiate (0) Jun 7, 2013 Texas

    A little bit of oxygen during bottling isn't going to make or break you, just make sure to grab some fresh yeast or bugs to add during bottling to make sure you get a secondary fermentation for carbing up bottles. In the future, get a keg, prime the keg with CO2, force carb the beer, then bottle using a bottling gun. Problem solved.
     
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  5. Theortiz01

    Theortiz01 Initiate (0) Jun 7, 2013 Texas

    Correct, try to rack into your bottling bucket as gently as possible to minimize oxygen u take. But the secondary fermentation during the bottling phase will convert some of that O2 anyways.
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Oxygen's part of the game. No sloshing. :slight_smile:
     
  7. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    Kudos for not opening the fermentor at all during the aging process! Brett is an oxygen scavenger so no need to worry about the o2 pickup in the bottling process. I would bottle normally, but add a few grams of champagne yeast to ensure quick carbonation. However, consider that any cold side plastic equipment used during bottling may forever harbor bugs. I keep a separate set of sour/funky bottling equipment. Cheers!
     
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  8. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Before bottling I would open up the fermentor and take a gravity reading. You need to make sure that the beer's gravity is stable and is ready to bottle first off. Tasting at this point is not a bad idea also.
     
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  9. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Good point! Simple to forget about the possibility of contaminating my equipment! The recipe calls for 4oz priming sugar. Does it sound reasonable to scrape a little roselare from the primary and add to the bottling bucket?
     
  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    4oz of sugar is probably not enough. If the beer is 6+ months old, there isn't a lot of co2 left in the beer. Priming calculators assume there will be co2 left in the beer. Roughly 0.8 volumes. You may have some co2 left in the beer, but probably not 0.8 volumes.

    http://www.brewersfriend.com/beer-priming-calculator/
     
  11. Phil-Fresh

    Phil-Fresh Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2015 California

    From my sour experiments, I've noticed that it helps to under-fill when bottling.

    ...It could just be the yeast I work with, but in the past when I filled to the usual mid-neck on a bomber -- it transformed to a geyser! Yikes :grimacing:

    Good Luck!
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    That means you bottled before it was finished fermenting and / or you used too much priming sugar. Sours get a regular bottle fill.
     
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    How old is this beer? How fast do you want it to carbonate? What are the OG and FG? Did you add any fruit? If so, when? Did you use dregs? If so, from which beer(s)?
     
  14. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    If you have strong sour bugs in there to make a Tart of Darkness clone, then I wouldn't worry too much about re-yeasting. I would prime to your desired level using a calculator like Brew_Betty mentioned. My 3-year-old straight lambic was carbonated in less than 2 weeks when I bottled this past summer.
     
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  15. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Jan 14 will be 1 year, quickness of carbonation not a big deal is rather do it right then rush it, I'll have to dig my notes up after work don't have my FG yet, no fruit, Wyesst roselare blend+ dregs from oude tart and tart of darkness.

    If I hit my FG should come out to about 5.5% abv
     
  16. GeoSteve

    GeoSteve Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2014 Maryland

    As @LakesideBrewing said above, a stable final gravity is important, or you'll be risking bottle bombs. After a year in the carboy, it may very well be done attenuating, but I would suggest getting a gravity reading, giving it some more time (at least a month and preferably longer) and checking it again before you bottle.
     
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