Help! Brewing tomorrow and I have a problem!

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  1. happyhoppyhobby

    happyhoppyhobby Initiate (127) Apr 18, 2016 Texas

    Here's the story: I'm new to home brewing, I've only made a batch or two, so you're talking to a noob here. I got a recipe for a Grapefruit IPA that I was really excited about until about 20 minutes ago when I discovered a possible flaw in the recipe that I blindly followed because I didn't know any better. Went to the home brew store today to gather my materials and showed the guy exactly what I needed, he had it all. He gathered all my grains and ground them up for me, packaged them up real nice. Now I'm reading into this a bit more and I see that the grains he ground up (two-row malt, a special roast malt, Crystal malt 20L, and flaked barley) two out of the four (I've read) are not suitable to be steeped, as the recipe calls for. Specifically, the two-row and the barley. What I've read says that those two need to be mashed instead because they are too starchy to be steeped. I guess my question is, now that all four of the grains were crushed together and put into one bag, am I screwed? Do I need to go back to the store and make sure he separates them? OR, am I okay to steep them all together? It's my understanding that in doing that, the quality goes down. What's your take on this?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    No. Multiply the grains by 1.5 and use that many quarts of water at about 162℉ will land you somewhere between 150-156℉. Put the grains in a sack and put in the water in the kettle or a small cooler and hold for 45-60 minutes. You can add a small amount of cold water to bring it down closer to 150℉ if needed. After the 45-60 minutes remove the bag of grain, drain into whatever vessel you had it in, drain liquid to your kettle (if you don't have it in the kettle already), add water, add extract, start boil, proceed with your recipe.
     
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  3. happyhoppyhobby

    happyhoppyhobby Initiate (127) Apr 18, 2016 Texas

    Okie dokie, onward with the brew then! Glad to hear it too because the brew store is not very close to my house :grinning:
     
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  4. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    ^^^ Agreed. If you need help keeping your mash warm, you can stick it in the oven. Just back it to warm for a few minutes and turn the oven off as you put your kettle in there. Remove one of the racks, and put the other rack on the bottom. Careful when you get your mash out. Those handles are hot. Do a check with an empty kettle to make sure it fits in the oven first!
     
  5. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    What they are describing is a way of all grain brewing called brew in a bag (BIAB). You should research it a little bit and try one of the free calculators, like BrewCipher, before you add more extract to grains you were originally going to steep only.
     
  6. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    Also, I'm just making sure you know this since you're fairly new to brewing, when you're draining your grain bag, DO NOT SQUEEZE IT. This will release a ton of harsh tannins that will only harm your beer. Also, you might want to rinse your grain bag with some hot water to strip any remaining sugars off of those grains. Patience is going to be key.
     
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  7. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    That's a myth, squeezing isn't going to extract tannins, feel free to squeeze every ounce out of that bag.
     
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  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    More applicable to hops, but really is temperature dependent mostly
     
  9. holzwama

    holzwama Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2015 Minnesota

    Was thinking the same thing. In fact a few breweries are starting to use a wort filter to get as much water out of the grain as possible.
     
  10. pittvkyle7

    pittvkyle7 Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2007 Connecticut

    If you brew with grain you have to filter. What type of filter are you seeing from these breweries?
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think I've read about this 'myth' although not in reference to tannins but to starches being squeezed from the grains. Maybe that was the point that was trying to be made.
     
  12. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    I've been brewing all grain for ten years and have never filtered, except through the grain bed. When just starting out and extract brewing, I didn't filter either. Most everything dropped out as trub in the boil or fell out when the yeast floced in the fermenter.

    But, I may have mis-understood your post.
     
  13. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Agreed. Granted, I've only done one BIAB batch, but I squeezed the heck out of the bag and got no tannins. Also, I squeeze the heck out of my DH bags. I want that goodness.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    They were talking about somehow filtering the remaining trapped wort from the grist after the lauter. (Not later in the process.) Personally, I've never heard of a brewery using anything but gravity through the grain bed, but I'm interested to hear what @holzwama is referring to.
     
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  15. holzwama

    holzwama Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2015 Minnesota

    Ok, finally found an online story on it.
    http://heavytable.com/modist-brewing/

    I initially read about this in an article about water conservation and brewing. Always cool stuff.

    The 2 beers I had last week from there were great. Cool place too. Fun to see people trying "new stuff" when brewing.
     
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  16. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Interesting
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Mash filters have been around for a long time. The usual set up uses a hammer mill to make flour of the endosperm, and the husks are discarded, so no tannins when the mash is pressed.
     
  18. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    WHICH IS IT!?!?
    Congratulations, you're a partial masher now. Don't look back. :slight_smile:
     
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  19. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    This was my question. Reminds me of the time a real jerk I was forced to spend a lot of time with was bragging about all the girls he'd slept with. I asked how many - his response: A few... you'd think a guy might remember the specifics :grinning:
     
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