Help, is my beer worth rescuing??

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  1. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Hi Guys, my brew has been ~30 hours now and still no sign of fermentation. I think I got a bad batch of yeast (safale dry yeast). Should I give it some more time? Should I throw in another pack of yeast? but I'm concerned that after 30+ hours the wort is probably starting to turn bad?
    FYI, this is a regular brown ale with ~1.052 OG. it's been sitting at room temp @ 65-68F.

    Any advice would great. thanks.
     
  2. WillQC4Beer

    WillQC4Beer Initiate (0) May 1, 2014 Vermont

    I would pitch another packet, 30 hours with no signs of fermentation (did you check gravity?) would lead me to repitch
     
  3. IPeteA91

    IPeteA91 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2012 Texas

    I've had good luck with rousing the yeast, just swirl the carboy to get those guys back into suspension.
     
  4. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I'd wait another day or 2. Assuming a sanitized fermenter with an airlock, nothing bad will happen in this time.
     
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  5. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    OK, I wait another day that would make it 48 hours. If it's still not showing any sign, then I'll throw in another pack.
     
  6. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    I've had dry yeast have slow lag times in the past. I think after 48 hours you'll see a thin layer of froth on the surface and at 72 hours you'll have a full krausen. Just a troubleshooting question, did you aerate well? Low oxygenation will extend lag times.
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you've got more yeast then it won't hurt to pitch it now, but I'd wait another day. If you followed good sanitation procedures, and you're not lifting the lid of your bucket every 2 hours which allows unwanted air to get in (assuming you're fermenting in a bucket), then you don't have to worry about your wort spoiling.
     
  8. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    How are you judging whether or not fermentation is happening?
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Did you rehydrate the yeast?
     
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  10. nozferatu46

    nozferatu46 Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2008 Indiana

    Give it another day, and take a gravity reading. I recently had Weizen yeast not move the airlock, only a small kreusen... but when I took a gravity reading... it was down to 1.014. Sometimes you just don't get a good seal on the bucket (assuming you're using a bucket).
     
  11. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    General homebrew question based off the concerns of a couple posters here: IF the fermentation was just slow to start, or if the OP repitches more yeast and is successful, why has it been mentioned to be bad to keep opening the lid,allowing oxygen in? Doesn't yeast need oxygen? Assuming that oxygen is let in, the yeast would consume any oxygen in there(if and when fermentation finally/does occur), right?

    I understand that post fermentation, one would want to keep air(oxygen) out, but if it hasn't fermented yet, or is still in the process, is air still bad?
     
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  12. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    Yup. Unless the yeast pack was quite out of date and stored poorly, I'd lean more towards insufficient or low aeration, low yeast nutrient, and maybe yeast rehydration (or lack of) being a more likely culprit of a long lag time or stalled fermentation. Either way, the O2 shouldn't hurt at this stage.
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The wort is a sterile solution, and there are occasionally bad things floating in the air that would just love to get inside the bucket by traveling with whatever air is let in. If a bucket (or any fermentor) is in a basement or garage, or a bathroom tub (I've done it), etc. the surrounding air is of an unknown quality. The risk may be low, but...

    Plus, hopefully the yeast are not relying on using the oxygen is in the head space, but rather whatever oxygen has been put into the solution during aeration.
     
  14. ThomP

    ThomP Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Texas

    what temperature is the Fermentor? too low will stall or slow the yeast. I do agree with those who posted and said just wait for a day or 2 even. as long as you keep the lid closed you have a safe environment for the wort.
     
  15. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Are you using a bucket or carboy? As mentioned if using a bucket you could have a bad seal. Or you do not have enough liquid in your air lock. I have had batches not show signs for three days then blow the lid off my bucket. Good luck.
     
  16. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    This is a valid question. OP, what are you basing your "no signs of fermentation" on? If it's a bucket and you are going solely on airlock activity, don't. That's not always an indicator. Remove the airlock and peep through the hole and see if there is a krausen forming. If it's in a carboy, well then you have a visible confirmation of little or no fermentation. It is possible to have complete fermentations without any airlock activity. Rare but can happen. As was eluded to, a bad lid or airlock seal will account for this. Although by now... I'm betting we are seeing some fermentation action. Hopefully anyway! :wink:
     
  17. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Hi, just checking in. Too many questions at the same time.

    - Just this morning before I left off for work, I took a peek and still no activity. So it's been 48 hours now.
    - I know it's not doing its thing becasue there is zero activity. (I use glass carboy and I can see there is nothing happening)
    - I'm brewing for the 5th time, with success every time and I'm *fairly* confident about my sanitation process.
    - No, I did not do anything special to aerate it, just straight from pot to caroboy, with a good stir.
    - yeast was rehydrated for ~10 mins.
    - Room temp is ~65F (basement)
    - I did remove the airlock once to "smell" if the beer has gone bad.

    One thing I got to mention though, is that the yeast has been sitting in my fridge for about a month now. Yeah, I know.
    That's why my first suspicion was bad yeast..

    The other thing I need to blame myself for is that I pitched at ~80F. I was being impatient cause I was in a hurry. Could that have hurt the batch?

    I'll see what happens when I get home today after work.
    If still no sign, should I throw in another pack of yeast?

    Thanks everyone.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Pitching at 80F would not have prevented or delayed fermentation. It's not ideal for flavor, but the yeast would love it.
     
  19. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I think it´s been enough time for a dry yeast to start working, I would add another pack of dry yeast very soon.
     
  20. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Here's a dumb question.... but when you rehydrated your yeast... what was the temperature of the water when you introduced the yeast?
     
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