HELP!!! Kegging Disasters!

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  1. rinhaak

    rinhaak Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    So I've had a hell of a time with my first kegging experiment, but I finally got it kegged up today.

    I put it on about two hours ago and set the PSI to 30. However, I just checked and the PSI reads 0: there is no CO2 coming out of the tank!!

    Can anyone tell me what happened? How could I possibly have gone through an entire tank of CO2 in an hour? There was no leakage that I could hear or detect.

    I am also wondering what to do with the beer that I kegged. It just had a shit load of CO2 pumped into it - except when I tried to purge the keg no CO2 was released. (Clearly something went wrong)

    I really like this beer and I don't want to lose it. Though I need to figure out how to solve my kegging problem, right now my biggest concern is saving my precious beer! I am thinking I will bottle it, but I am afraid to do so after I just put so much CO2 into the tank. Will that be a problem? Will that effect carbonation? Cause bottles to explode? Or is something so wrong that there isn't any CO2 in the beer anyhow?

    Guide me, please!
     
  2. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    1. Did you fill the CO2 tank after you recieved it?
    2. Some regulators have a shutoff valve between the regulator and the gas line. Make sure it is open.

    As long as you purged the headspace and the keg is sealed your beer is fine so no need to panick. Take a step back, lay off the homebrew for a minute and solution will come to you.

    edit: this coming from someone who has beer dispensing at a drizzel because the co2 is running out:flushed:
     
  3. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    If you pulled the release valve on the keg and no CO2 came out, meaning there's no pressure in the keg, then you didn't "pump a shit load of CO2" into the beer.

    When you first applied CO2 to the keg did you hear gas flowing into the keg? If the answer is yes, did it flow and then slow to a stop, or did it keep flowing? Does the high pressure guage on the regulator indicate that there is still CO2 in the tank?
     
  4. rinhaak

    rinhaak Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    Yeah, the valve is open and the CO2 tank was at one time full (when I put it on, I could hear the wonderful hiss of CO2...)

    I think I'm going to bottle the beer tonight, then deal with this as a keg of water...
     
  5. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Press the pressure relief valve (ball lock) or the gas in post (pin lock) to see if any gas actually made itself into the keg. Did you hear gas flow when initially carbonating? If not, verify that your tank has CO2, as noted above. Double check all the gas connections. Don't worry, your beer is safe for the moment. Put the keg in the fridge while you puzzle this out (because you are on the scene, only you can really figure out what's going on). If all else fails, you can prime in the keg but that probably won't be necessary once you check everything closely.

    edit: I'm pretty behind the curve here; nevermind. But I'm confident you'll figure it out.
     
  6. rinhaak

    rinhaak Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    Thanks for the help, everyone. I've had a hell of a time with the whole setup from the getgo, so forgive me for losing my reason momentarily!

    I have confirmed that there was at one time CO2 and that there is no no CO2. As to where the leak is, I haven't the foggiest idea yet.
     
  7. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    When you say you "confirmed there was at one time CO2," how did you confirm that? What did the high pressure gauge read? What was the weight of the tank?
     
  8. rinhaak

    rinhaak Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    I didn't weigh it (rookie mistake... and a lack of a scale), but it was certainly much heavier before than it is now. Furthermore, I heard CO2 coming from the tank into the keg, and the pressure gauge confirmed that.
     
  9. bishopdc0

    bishopdc0 Savant (1,161) Jan 23, 2010 Maine

    Had this happen once the seals wasn't sealing. as a result i woke the next morning to no CO2 or carbonated beer I refilled my cO2. tank and sprayed the keg with sanitizer and found the leak.simple replacement of a diptube seal find I was good to go. now I always pressurized my tanks when stored and if isn't pressurized at time of fill I investigate further. Kegging at first is a little overwhelming because of the maintainance but once you get it its great hood luck
     
  10. dmwcpa

    dmwcpa Crusader (442) Apr 24, 2008 North Carolina

    This happened to me once also. My problem was a new regulator that was leaking from the guage.
     
  11. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Raise the temp of an 'empty' CO2 tank by 5 degrees, and it will hiss when you open the valve. That doesn't tell you that there's a useful amount of CO2 in the tank. What did the high pressure gauge read?
     
  12. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Generally if I crank up the PSI enough and try to make it as quiet as possible, the leak is easy to find.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I dumped a whole tank of CO2 in short order with my first cheapo regulator. Eventually switched to Micromatic and haven't had a problem since.

    Refill the tank, make your connections, crank the PSIs up, and spray every connection/joint with Starsan solution. If you really dumped 5 lbs in 2 hours, this is going to be an easy leak to find.
     
  14. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Enough answers here, but I will re-iterate that you do not need to bottle it. If you leave the keg alone it should be fine, especially if you left the keg shut. Have you opened the keg?
     
  15. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I like to use a soapy water solution to check for leaks. I have a couple kegs that I need to put a little more pressure to get them sealed but later I can back off the pressure and it stays sealed. I have also gone through a full tank over night. I keep three tanks just in case!
     
  16. DrewBeechum

    DrewBeechum Pooh-Bah (1,954) Mar 15, 2003 California
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    The places I've seen a lot of first time setups go wrong:
    • The regulator is only hand tight to the CO2 bottle.
    • The gas fitting is just a little loose (between the hose and the QD)
    • The barb for the QD is loose
    • The lid never properly seats
    • Either the gas or liquid posts aren't tight
    #1 place though - no fiber/plastic washer between the tank and the regulator. Some regulators have a sort of permanent washer inside the female connection, but if you have just bare metal to metal, you'll dump all your CO2 without realizing it.
     
  17. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    And just in case you didnt know, Pipe Thread Tape is a good thing to have when kegging. Always keep some on hand.
     
  18. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Pipe Thread Tape is virtually useless on most of the connections in a typical home setup. If I'm not mistaken, the nipples connecting the regulators to each other and the connections on your CO2 manifold are the only places you're likely to find tapered threads (NPT), and there's seldom a reason to touch those. These are not particularly prone to leaking - though I wouldn't skip those when testing for leaks.
     
  19. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I guess it is handy for mine, because I use lots of MFL connections. I still say is probably good to keep on hand when dealing with Gas, but might not be needed.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Thread tape doesn't do anything for an MFL connection. The threads aren't the mated surface that counts.
     
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