Help me with my Mole Porter

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  1. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    My mole porter has been sitting on 5oz cacao nibs, ancho & guajillo chiles (2 each), 1 cinnamon stick, and 2 vanilla beans for almost three weeks with minimal flavor contribution. I added everything whole except the vanilla bean which I split open and scraped. I used cocoa powder in the boil along with chocolate malts, so it's hard to tell if the cacao nibs are adding anything extra but I don't taste much vanilla, no cinnamon at all and definitely not any heat from the peppers.

    70% Maris Otter
    16% flaked oats
    7% chocolate malt
    5% Crystal 80
    2% black patent
    6oz cocoa powder added @ flameout
    36 ibu from Pilgrim hops @ 60
    Mash 154
    OG 1.060, FG 1.018
    Wyeast 1028 fermented at 65º


    My brew closet is a bit chilly... around 62º this time of year. Should I add more mole stuff to it? Warm it up? Make a tincture?
     
  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I am surprised you have dry little added flavor/scent at 3 weeks. I only have 2 mole beers under my belt, so perhaps make a Tinkture if your comfortable with that, or, add more of everything. Just 1 vanilla bean they can be rugged.
     
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  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Could be a good thing...let it ride...regular porters aren't bad :slight_smile:
    Maybe warm it up a tad
     
  4. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Did you do anything with your peppers before you added them?
     
  5. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    I sliced the peppers open and removed the seeds and innards and added those whole. I added the cinnamon stick whole, too.
     
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Where did you source your spices from? I used rum to make a tincture of 2 cinnamon sticks, 3vanilla beans, 2 ancho and 2 guajillo chiles, 5oz cacao nibs and 5oz espresso beans. I roasted my chiles and cinnamon sticks in a pan before I made the tincture. The tincture is strong as hell. I used an ounce in a bomber of imperial stout with great results.
     
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  7. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    I got the peppers from a local Mexican market. I used the same peppers to make an enchilada sauce which was delicious! I boiled the peppers before pureeing them for the sauce. I added these raw/whole after de-seeding

    The vanilla beans I got off amazon. They are Grade B extract beans and they've been vaccuum sealed since I ordered them last month. They worked beautifully in an imperial vanilla porter I brewed for Xmas.

    The cinnamon stick are Frontier brand organic whole vietnamese cinnamon sticks. I got them on amazon.

    The cacao nibs I got at a local health food store.
     
  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I was just now lamenting that I will probably not be brewing my annual mole whatever you want to call it before the end of the year. I'd definitely recommend a few more pepper additions, but not too much.
    Ancho's are not that hot to begin with until they ripen. Guajillos are not that much hotter than Ancho's and provide more flavor than heat. You are missing Mulatto peppers, which makes up the holy trinity of an "authentic" Mole. A good Mole isn't really about heat, which should be gentle to mildly biting. It should not be more than a kiss of heat that teases you and makes you want more, but not so much that it gives you the hiccups or moisture spots around your temples. At most. It should build. But, not be a blast in the face.
    Just enough to contrast, or balance, or play nicely with the arms length of other ingredients involved in Mole. But, first a question. Why'd you remove the seeds and innards. That's flavor country and will give you exactly what you are missing.
    Question. Were these dried or fresh? I strongly suggest using dried, and giving them over to a tincture for a few weeks. Preferably a Tequila or Reposado because. Let's be "authentic".
    A little vanilla goes a very long way. If you can taste it. You've added too much. It just needs to play along, not lead.
     
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  9. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    Thanks for the reply! I used dried peppers. I removed the seeds out of fear that it would get too spicy too quickly. I'm just looking for a bit of pepper flavor with a hint of heat.
     
  10. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I dig the “smackyness” of ancho peppers - I use them in my prairie bomb-like stout. I always roast my peppers first, FWIW. I would suggest putting together a tincture at this point and taste testing. :slight_smile:
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Anchos have some dark fruit flavors that workgreat in a stout. I agree with @Bryan12345 in that you're best shot may be to make a tincture and dose to desired strength when you bottle or keg.
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    fwiw, I always "dry chile" in the keg...a little smoked malt and vanilla/chocolate, but never, ever use cinnamon :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  13. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I personally prefer Abuelita Mexican hot chocolate over the fancy powder stuff or cacao nibs, and add cumin along with a cinnamon stick or two. If I can get a mexican hot chocolate that isn't Nestle related for when I do get around to making mine. I'll use that, but... In the meantime.
    It's a whole lot cheaper than the other stuff, and from my perspective, tastes better in the role it is assuming in my variation of a Mole whatever it gets called. Since this is easily my most expensive beer to make. I find where to cut costs and keep the flavor. Staying closer to a Mercado as opposed to a health food store or co-op for sourcing most of it is where to start.
    Since, I start mine off somewhere above 1090. I add the hot cocoa addition somewhere pretty far along where I think the yeast need a little pick me up to keep on working towards FG.
     
  14. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Do be honest, I used two vanilla beans and 8oz(maybe? can't remember) of cocoa nibs in a porter and I had vanilla for a week and never got anything from the nibs. It sat on the nibs for 2 weeks and the vanilla for 5 days. Just my one experience with both thus far.

    I used organic cocoa powder and had a great success with that sitting in a beer for a few months.
     
  15. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    For my mole stout that I brewed last year (with a tropical stout as a base) I made a separate tincture for each of my additions--cinnamon stick, vanilla bean, cacao nibs, ancho chile, chipotle chile (aka, smoked, dried jalapeno). I used vodka rather than rum or tequila because I only wanted the flavor of the addition, not rum or tequila. I let these sit for at least a month, each in its own little mason jar covered in vodka. When it was time to bottle I kept adding and tasting until it was what I was looking for. I think it is way too difficult to get spices right the first time just by adding them all together. I have waayyyy overdone the cinnamon in the past, for example. This gave me a lot of control over the process.
     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you wanted to brew this beer again did you keep notes of how much of each flavor went into the beer? If you can give that info, we'd also need to know what was your batch size?
     
  17. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    My personal record keeping and method were worthless for repeatability, but if you make a one cup tincture of each, you’ll have enough to get the flavor you want for a 5 gallon batch. For me that was 2 or 3 cinnamon sticks, chiles, vanilla beans, and a half cup of nibs, give or take. Really depends on the flavor profile you are looking for.
     
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  18. Coons

    Coons Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2016 Illinois

    I recently made a mole brown ale, and inserted everything in the kettle (i figure if regular mole is usually made hot side, its appropriate to brew it that way as well)

    -ancho, (~0.25-0.5oz)remove seeds, then torch and wrap (metal bowl) to let smoke settle in. mash (or mush in kettle)
    -throw cinnamon stick in hop container for full boil (~.4 oz per 5.5 gal ive found is good, just let the beer settle for a week or so cold to let the particulates settle, or the cinnamon will come on harsh)
    -cocoa powder if you can get it, however much you see fit

    dont be afraid to taste along the way! you wouldnt salt your soup before you taste it, dont blindly throw shit in the kettle and hope for the best.
     
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  19. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    Thanks for all the replies. I ended up adding 1 dried ancho that I ripped in half, 1 dried guajillo that I ripped in half, and a cinnamon stick that I broke in half. Within 3 days, a hint of spice and some cinnamon started to come through. It's in the keg now and tasting lovely! Next time I'll definitely leave the seeds in the peppers and probably roast them before adding them to secondary. For the cinnamon stick, once broken in half the flavor comes through very quickly. I'd probably go for half a stick, and add it a few days after everything else.
     
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