Help save our ridiculous experiment

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Providence, Jul 2, 2012.

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  1. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Through a series of events my buddy landed a Mr. Beer kit that was from the late 90's (we know it's from the late 90's because the can of malt says "best before 1998"). As a gag my buddy and I decided we were going to brew it and document the whole experience. We were going to follow the directions to a t and use all the ingredients and equipment that came in the pristine and well kept box. The only thing we would change is the yeast, we wanted to buy a fresh yeast pack for this.

    The thing is, the yeast we ended up using hasn't done a damn thing. We pitched a packet of Nottingham Ale dry yeast. That was over a week ago and we haven't seen any action what so ever.

    We assume that this beer isn't going to be very good, nevertheless, we do actually want it to become beer! So any recommendations on what yeast we should get for this beer (it is labeled as a pale ale on the box)? Also, is that fact that it has sat for 9 days without any yeast activity going to destroy this brew? I mean, without the yeast converting that sugar, is the whole thing liable to get infected?

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    So you're taken a hydrometer reading to confirm that the gravity hasn't dropped at all? If so, I'd add another packet of yeast. I don't know if you did before buy try rehydrating the yeast this time before you pitch it, it might help.
     
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  3. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Gator is correct, please ensure you've taken a hydrometer reading and aren't simply just looking for visual activity. If that truly is the case, follow the suggestion above and pitch another packet.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You asked: “Also, is that fact that it has sat for 9 days without any yeast activity going to destroy this brew? I mean, without the yeast converting that sugar, is the whole thing liable to get infected?”

    If indeed the yeast did not do its job (fermenting the wort) then 9 days of inactivity will very likely result in an infection.

    I would recommend that you check the gravity with a hydrometer. If the gravity is not consistent with a fermented beer (a low gravity) I personally would just dump it. Adding yeast to an infected wort is not going to result in ‘drinkable’ beer. If you just truly want to produce undrinkable beer then I suppose you could pitch another packet of dry yeast!?!

    Cheers!
     
  5. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I would not be so sure that this beer has any infection yet,in case there is an infection it would be in an early stage, so i would add 2 rehydrated packs of dry yeast to get a huge qty. of yeast sooner to take wort environment control.Never dump a batch before you are absolutly sure there´s nothing to do.
     
  6. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Not the best advice imo. 2 packs of rehydrated yeast is probably not necessary since usually one sachet of dry yeast is usually enough for 1 batch of 5 gallon standard strength homebrew and most Mr. Beer kits are half the size. 1 pack will definitely be enough. Also, knowing when to dump a batch is an important skill to learn. I hate it when people make a beer they know is poorly fermented or has a recipe flaw--but will dry hop with 8 oz, add brett, rack onto fruit, add bourbon soaked oak chips...just because they don't want to throw the beer out. All you will have a crappy beer you dropped more money into because you didn't know when to drain pour it.

    To the OP:
    I'm not sure what comes in a Mr. Beer Kit, but I think there is a vent to allow the fermenting yeast to blow off CO2. It might be easily visible from the keg to see what is going on inside. I don't think you will have a hydrometer if you aren't a homebrewer already, so I would suggest you to draw some of the wort out from the tap (clean first with sanitizer) and taste it. If it tastes like beer, then it's one to bottling. IF it tastes still sweet. Then you need better yeast. If it tastes sour or funky, then I would throw it out.

    If you need yeast, what you should do is get another pack of Nottingham (or other dry ale yeast) and rehydrate it by adding to 6-8 oz of boiled water you allowed to cool to ~90F, just warm to the touch. Usually I use a pyrex measuring cup and boil the water in my microwave and cover with plastic wrap right after it comes out and let it cool on the counter until warm, 45 minutes or so. Then pour the yeast into the warm water and recover with the plastic wrap. let it sit for about 30 minutes for the yeast to dissolve and then pour that into the fermenter keg.
     
  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Did you use the hops that came in that pack? Give it a sample and taste. If it is sour, but doesn't taste/smell like rotting garbage, and the sour is clean like lemons/yogurt, you have a good base beer to play with. Hit it with Brett, maybe some oak, and let her ride for a couple of months. Mr Beer pseudo-lambic. If you can't tell, I'm in the don't dump, just "fix" it camp, and I've had some nice "fixed" beers come out it :wink:
     
  8. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina


    OP has said:

    `The thing is, the yeast we ended up using hasn't done a damn thing. We pitched a packet of Nottingham Ale dry yeast. That was over a week ago and we haven't seen any action what so ever.`

    So i don´t understand how this wort could be beer at this moment. It is a good idea to take a sample to try to figure some funky-nasty taste , but if it was a subtle sour taste i would insist on using 2 packs of new yeast to try to save the batch.The easiest thing to do is just to dump the whole batch, i prefer to give it another chance,let new yeast do the job,take another sample after fermentation is done and if it is not a perfect taste then wait,wait,wait, maybe you can save your batch.It is not a huge waste of money 2 dry yeast packs.
     
  9. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Have you fermented with a Mr. Beer Kit before? If it's like any I've seen, the fermenter is a dark brown, nearly opaque, plastic container that looks like a barrel on it's side. It doesn't have an airlock, just a vent that lets CO2 out. So it's hard to tell if the beer is fermenting, also new homebrewer might not even know what to look for.

    A subtle sour taste? That does not sound like something I want in a pale ale. I wouldn't put effort into something like this because probably what will happen is that you'll have crappy beer, a case worth that you spent time and money on and feel compelled to drink it once bottled. Or it will rot forever in a basement somewhere until you move.
     
  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Sorry sir i have never seen such a beer kit like that,so i must think you are right and i am wrong
     
  11. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Thanks for all the responses folks. To answer some of the questions you all had: I should have mentioned a few things in my OP. 1st, I am a home brewer already and I do have a hydrometer, which I used. And there hasn't been any change. Second, I can't get any dry yeast until tomorrow (LHBS has strange operating hours) which will make the wort 13 days old :-(. Third, I know when to dump a batch, but this kit is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I don't want to give up on it. It's a Mr. Beer Kit from 15 years ago! I will never find that again. Fourth, we did put the yeast in a cup of warm water first and it definitely gave off the trade mark bready smell. Fifth, no hops can with the kit (evidently the malt had hops oil in it, which is only going to make this beer all the more terrible, ha ha ha).

    Looks like I am up the creek on this one. I haven't sampled it yet, but I guess I will today. Unfortunately I think our hopes of brewing a Mr. Beer kit that has sat in a basement for 15 years and actually tasting the results are crumbling.
     
  12. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    If it hasn't moved, that's a good thin as the wilds have yet to take over... I would repitch ASAP.
     
  13. nozferatu46

    nozferatu46 Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2008 Indiana

    Check gravity. Gravity says it didn't ferment... pitch one pack of S-05, but don't rehydrate. If it ferments, yay. If it doesn't... it doesn't.
     
  14. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    The following link was posted some time ago in another thread (on the old forum), but it seems appropriate here. Why it is best to use Mr. Beer kits right away:

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  15. JayS2629

    JayS2629 Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2010 Alabama

    I agree with the advice of re-pitching. Maybe I missed this, but what style of beer was this kit? Don't give up on it. Perhaps add something to kick the yeast along like a fermentable? Sugar or maple syrup, or honey or something?
     
  16. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    LMFAO! Around minute 7 this starts getting hilarious!
    "Yeah, uh, yeah, tastes kinda awful."
     
  17. dgs

    dgs Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2005 Pennsylvania

    A follow-up video:

     
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