help using chocolate extract in an Irish Stout

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  1. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Ok, so I was given a really cool home brewing kit. 5 gallon glass carboy, hydrometer and the whole she-bang. Everything except ingredients, that is. I found a local wine/beer supply store that sold beer "kits". I went there told the clerk I was a novice and looking for a chocolate Irish Stout. He pointed me to a kit for an Irish Stout and handed me a bottle of chocolate extract (made by the same people who made the beer kit. ...I should also say that it was a pre assembled kit, but it was grains and yeast and LME and DME...just I didn't specify weight, cook times or the like. made by Brewers Best). the clerk told me that all I have to do is add the extract just before bottling. but that was it. do I stir it in, let it sit a few days, both? can I add it with some vanilla extract when I transfer the mix to my carboy after 5-7 days?
     
  2. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    The kit didnt come with instructions or given weights? Weird. You can get the recipe at Northernbrewer.com or pretty much any homebrew website as far as the Irish Stout recipe/weights. As for adding the chocolate extract, I think adding it to at the time of bottling would work. The only problem is you wont really know how much you will need, and I would taste it before I put the chocolate extract in it, you might not even want to put it in. When I first started out I was putting all kinds of stuff in my beers. I cant tell you how many of them were virtually undrinkable. I wish I would have just followed the directions word for word.
     
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  3. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    I haven't used chocolate extract but I once used coconut extract and did a few different concentrations. The one I liked best was one drop of extract added to each bottle. Extract doesn't need to sit on a beer at all to impart its flavor but depending on the extraction method, it could affect the stability of the foam. So I think adding it to the bottle is the best way to go and try to use alcohol based extract instead of oil based.
     
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  4. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    no, the kit came with clear concise instructions which i followed. the kit was for an irish stout, i bought the extract separate to try to make a chocolate irish stout. i was just saying that i had no part in determining weigh/cook times or temps.

    now my question is do i add it per bottle like ssam suggests or do i mix it with some vanilla and put it in the carboy and stir it in?
     
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  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    The bottom line is you can do this from the end of the boil to a drop in the bottom of each glass you pour. I've done two batches of Irish stout with that Irish cream extract. Both times I added directly to the bottling bucket. One was just right, and the other overpowered the beer and made it taste sort of like soda. I'd add half, taste, and add the other half while working with your bottling bucket. A VERY gentle stir after each half is added. You should stir your sugar up just a touch, so this is part of my bottling process anyway. Once you add this, you cannot take it out. If you throw half the bottle away to make the perfect beer, you should do that instead of overdosing. Vanilla is welcome here too.
     
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  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    If you want to do as Ssam has suggested you can do a split batch very easily this way. You can bottle the base beer this way without extract in some bottles and see how much of a difference there is. Hell, you could do a few more with 2 drops, 4 drops, and just write the number on top of the bottle cap. :slight_smile:
     
  7. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    ok. thank you all. as this is my first brewing experience ever, i will be looking for more guidance from time to time. i told my brother id try to make something like sam adams imperial white...
     
  8. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    You can also just add it at pouring time, if you're worried about fucking up the entire batch. Personally, I'd get some guiness, add a drop or two, and see if you like it. It may be gawdawful, it may be bliss. But if you're worried, just add it to taste whenever you're having a beer.
     
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  9. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    that is a good idea, I think I will try adding it to another IS. I considering transferring to the carboy secondary today, but im not sure if I should wait a few more days or go for it tonight... ??
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You really don't need to transfer this beer to secondary at all. Unfortunately, kit instructions haven't quite caught up with current common practice.
     
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  11. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    so the secondary doesn't help it to "clarify"?

    also heard that since I am using a plastic bucket primary, it could seep O2 in and oxidize the beer, where the glass carboy wont let oxygen in.
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's debatable/marginal. The most important thing happening is gravity over time, which doesn't need a secondary to happen.

    You'll probably introduce more O2 by transferring than you will by letting it sit in the bucket for a few more days. You can just leave it for a few days after FG is reached to give the yeast time to clean up their byproducts and settle out, then bottle.
     
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  13. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    ok, so I should let it sit for another week or two then go straight to bottling? why do I have a carboy then?
     
  14. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    You could always cold crash to help with clarity, but I agree that for this particular batch secondary isnt needed. Carboys are good for if you made a really big beer that you want to age a bit before bottling/kegging etc. Also, you might want to use secondary for lighter beers to help with clarity and dry hop. Thats really the only reason Ive ever used a secondary.
     
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  15. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    cold crash? this is my first brew ever, what is cold crashing and how difficult is it?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    For a stout, I wouldn't bother. Cold crashing is reducing the temperature after fermentation to encourage yeast to settle out.
     
  17. LeatherNeckBrewing

    LeatherNeckBrewing Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2014 Pennsylvania

    so letting it condition but not at room temp? would I continue that even after I bottle the beer?
     
  18. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Once you bottle you want to raise the temp to around 70 to encourage carbonation. If its very much colder than that, it either won't carbonate or will take forever.

    Sometimes when people cold crash they add more yeast during bottling because they think all the yeast dropped out of suspension. I am inclined to disagree but I don't have any experience bottling cold crashed beer so I am not sure. But like Vikeman said, you don't need to cold crash.
     
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