Help w/ Fermentation Issues

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    His beers are getting down to the gravity he's expecting in secondary, so I don't think unfermentable dextrins are the answer.
     
  2. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Oops, should have read more carefully... I will fall back to suggesting more oxygen. Also, do you rouse your yeast, i.e. give the carboy a swirl every day or 2 after the fermentation settles down? This will help keep some yeast in suspension so it has a better chance to do its job.
     
  3. PangaeaBeerFood

    PangaeaBeerFood Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 New York

    I swirl it a bit, but not much. Maybe I'll try that to keep the yeast in suspension a bit longer. It's a pain in the ass because I don't brew at my apartment (too small), I brew at my parents' place, and would have to swing by every few days to kick up the yeast... but, its a small price to pay for delicious, delicious homebrew.
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Upon rereading your original post, it is not clear to me that anything is necessarily (extremely) wrong here. You say that the beer comes to a screeching halt after a few days, but perhaps it has not really stopped, but simply slowed down significantly so that after 10 - 14 days it really has (mostly) finished. Then perhaps your transferring to the secondary does reactivate the yeast a bit.

    The key bit of missing information in your original post is whether or not you measured the gravity just before transferring to the secondary. If you did and it was still high, then something a bit strange is going on. If not, then these beers may not be behaving all that strangely.

    The fact that you don't vigorously aerate and don't use a starter can result in the occasional sluggish fermentation. Before I regularly aerated and used a starter I had beers whose fermentation profile was not ideal.

    I use the following method for aerating, which works at least as well as an aquarium pump and airstone (which I use to use, but do not anymore). After transferring the wort to the carboy I plug the top with a stopper (no hole in it), and I set the timer for 5 minutes. I then rock the carboy back and forth on the floor so that the wort splashes fairly vigorously (which doesn't take too much rocking). After a minute I stop rocking and remove the stopper. Because the wort has absorbed some oxygen, the pressure is reduced in the carboy, and upon removing the stopper air rushes into the carboy. I then rock for another minute and again remove the stopper. Again air will rush in, but usually not quite as much. I continue this until air does not rush in anymore, which tells me that the wort is maximally aerated (with this method).

    The advantage of this aeration method is its simplicity. I have also done it with a better bottle: in that case it is helpful to put a tennis ball underneath of the better bottle to support the bottle as you are doing this. The "corner" of the better bottle tends to collapse otherwise.
     
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  5. PangaeaBeerFood

    PangaeaBeerFood Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 New York

    This is exactly what was happening. My Scotch Ale, with an OG of 1.085, was only at 1.040 after two weeks in primary. I hadn't noticed any visible signs of fermentation since the 3rd or 4rd day and rousing the yeast didn't seem to help. I transferred it to secondary and it did nothing for 24 hours or so. Then, out of nowhere, vigorous fermentation restarted, with a good inch or two of fluffy, foamy activity on top of the beer.

    The same thing happened with my Porter a few week earlier. OG was 1.057 or so and stuck at 1.020. After transfer to secondary, it started up again and finished down to 1.007.

    That being said, the Saison I had in primary was racked to secondary yesterday and that one fermented out perfectly. Maybe these two batches were just flukes and I'm way overthinking this. It was just weird that it happened a few times in a row and I've never seen behavior like that before.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think what utahbeerdude was asking is if you were also taking a gravity reading right before transferring to secondary. i.e. gravity could have been changing slowly between the time you decided it was stuck until the time you racked (even without visible activity), which you wouldn't know without another reading. At least I think that was what he meant.
     
  7. PangaeaBeerFood

    PangaeaBeerFood Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 New York

    Yeah, I always take one at transfer. The 1.040 and 1.020 readings referenced about were taken after the two week primary, moments before racking to secondary.
     
  8. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    I had something similar but not quite the same happen to me for first time. I was going to bottle from primary that had fermented while I was on vacation (12 days), and after moving the primary container, I started to get some bubbling, at about every 30 seconds. This lasted for maybe 20-30 minutes as I tried to decide what to do. As it subsided, I checked the FG and it was fine, so I bottled. Just curious what might have caused this "last gasp" bubbling? (FYI - the un-carbonated beer tasted fine).
     
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