Help with a beer like Altamont Dank Row

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  1. peter831

    peter831 Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2012 California

    I have been brewing for 4-5 years and came across a beer that I want to be able to make.

    6.3% AVB is great, color is very light pale and the fragrance and taste is perfect for me.

    How can anyone make a beer that full of aroma and flavor?

    I brew in 5 gallon batches and thought I used plenty of hops, I have been moving most of the hops to very late additions, running a whirlpool for 10 minutes with 1-2oz of hops, dry hopping with 2-3oz of hops for 3-5 days.

    Was wondering if its the hop pack route? I know you can make them with a water filter or you can buy them for about $150.

    Do you use it going into the keg after fermenting, can you then skip the dry hop?

    or do you use it after chilling the wort?

    Suggestions?
     
  2. wlynch

    wlynch Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2013 California

    I think this beer is 100% 2-Row and the hops are Columbus, Summit and 07270.
     
  3. peter831

    peter831 Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2012 California

    yep, those are the hops.

    Question is, how do you make it so hoppy at the end? So fragrant?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    IMO the best way to extract hop aroma is via dry hopping. Can you provide more details on your dry hopping technique?

    Cheers!
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. wlynch

    wlynch Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2013 California

    i'd use 4-5 oz. in the whirlpool for about half an hour. sometimes i do a charge at flameout for 20 min and then a whirlpool at 170 degrees for half an hour. then with a big dry hop you should get a big sticky aroma. you'll get some ibus out of the flameout addition but not at <=170.
     
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  7. peter831

    peter831 Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2012 California

    I use only a primary fermentation, I throw my dry hop pellets into the 5+ gallons without a bag. Generally wait 3-5 days, cold crash for 48 hrs, and keg.
     
  8. peter831

    peter831 Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2012 California

    My whirlpool gets less than great circulation due to having hop bags in the wort.

    I can pull out the bittering hop bag, but for the late aroma seems like I should leave them in.

    I guess I should try pulling all of the bags out at flame out and start a whirl pool and put in the hops,

    but I am less than confident that the whirl pool hops will not clog up my pump and plate chiller,
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I don't see anything amiss i what you posted there.

    Did you read the article that I linked in this thread? One aspect that is emphasized in that article is the need to minimize exposure of the dry hopped beer to air (oxygen). Any 'excess' exposure to air (oxygen) will result in oxidation which equates to diminished hop aroma for hoppy beers.

    Cheers!
     
  10. peter831

    peter831 Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2012 California

    I did just finish the article, I do think I am pretty careful with O2 but you have to open the fermenter to check the gravity, and add hops,

    I do flush my kegs with CO2 prior to filling,

    thanks
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If that is the case I have no other suggestions. Maybe some other BAs have some ideas here.

    Cheers!
     
  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I use 5 - 6 ozs of dry hops, 60% after 3-5 days of primary fermentation and the rest in the keg. The beer I am drinking has 6 ozs of dry hop and the aroma is as good as any commercial beer I've had. If you want that aroma you need to double your hops, particulary the dry hops. 2 - 3ozs just won't do it.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In contrast to what @GetMeAnIPA posted the most hops I have ever used for dry hopping is 2 ounces and I obtain aroma as good as commercial beer. @peter831 you might want to up your dry hop amounts but I personally do not understand why you would need to do this.

    Cheers!
     
  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    What kind of commercial beer? A beer like trillium or a beer like lagunitas IPA? The BYO recipe for fort point had 5 ounces of dry hops. I use more hops in dry hopping than I do in the boil. A few ounces of hops will get a good aroma but a smack you in the face man this exploding with hops aroma, no. And I think the op is looking for that. If you get trillium/treehouse aroma from 2 ounces than your processes are well superior to mine. Which is probably right anyways.....cheers.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Examples:

    · Tired Hands hoppy beers

    · Hill Farmstead hoppy beers

    · Firestone Walker Union Jack

    · Victory Dirt Wolf

    · etc.

    On my homebrew list of beers to make I have Trillium Fort Point Pale Ale there but it looks like that won’t be happening till next spring (I have other beers in the list of higher priority).

    Cheers!
     
  16. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    To clarify you have brewed tired hands and hill farmstead beers using 2 ounces of dry hops and they come out as aromatic as the commercial version of the beer?
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No way.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Nope, I just drink them. My nose works when I drink commercial beers and my nose works when I drink homebrewed beers.

    Cheers!

    Edit: I read all the time on BA how folks need to use many ounces of hops during dry hopping to obtain potent hop aroma. This is something I can't personally relate to since it is inconsistent with the results I obtain in my homebrewing practice.
     
  19. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Union Jack uses 4lbs/bbl. That's about 10oz-11oz of hops for a 5 gallon batch.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Nevertheless...
     
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